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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 11:59 AM
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In an attempt to squelch the drama on here which seems to revolve mostly around performance and technical concerns, would it be possible to start an area in the drop down menus called "ZO6 Tech/Performance"? There is a similar area for the C7 but seems to be more Stingray related.

Don't know about others but this back and forth bickering is really getting old and makes me want to go elsewhere for information.

Is this possible?
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:05 PM
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In an attempt to squelch the drama on here which seems to revolve mostly around performance and technical concerns, would it be possible to start an area in the drop down menus called "ZO6 Tech/Performance"? There is a similar area for the C7 but seems to be more Stingray related.

Don't know about others but this back and forth bickering is really getting old and makes me want to go elsewhere for information.

Is this possible?
I agree the bitching on this forum is EPIC. I spend a fair amount of time of the HK Pro forum, which is heavily moderated. Idiots are zapped at light speed which encourages good decorum. They admit the forum is "over-moderated" but I love it as do most.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:08 PM
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I agree the bitching on this forum is EPIC. I spend a fair amount of time of the HK Pro forum, which is heavily moderated. Idiots are zapped at light speed which encourages good decorum. They admit the forum is "over-moderated" but I love it as do most.
Could not agree more about the drama instituted in these treads. I saw one member make reference to another member's father being a liar. It is totally taking away from the enjoyment of what this forum used to provide.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:21 PM
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I don't know if mods have an infraction system. If you get "x" amount of infractions then you get banned. On the Houston Texans Forum you get infractions for going off topic, and then temp. ban if you stay off topic. It really keeps the forum straight.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 12:29 PM
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Could not agree more about the drama instituted in these treads. I saw one member make reference to another member's father being a liar. It is totally taking away from the enjoyment of what this forum used to provide.
If I recall correctly, wasn't that about a performance matter quoted in a magazine or publication? If so, that proves my point about a lot of the bickering being associated to performance topics. If we separate those discussions there would be much less drama on a general thread.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 03:06 PM
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I'll inquire for you about starting a ZO6 Performance section. Or maybe we should just call it the pissing, bitching and moaning section......
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 03:16 PM
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Best idea I've heard in a LONG TIME. Put all of the racing stuff (vids, roll racing, track talk, freeway pulls, and generic performance related dink measuring threads) in one convenient location. Or, maybe a section for us waxers/posers/collector's that are sick of the constant dick swinging bravado...

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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
I'll inquire for you about starting a ZO6 Performance section. Or maybe we should just call it the pissing, bitching and moaning section......
That's called the "Off Topic" section or the "Political" section. I don't get a vote, but I'm casting it anyway: a separate section isn't necessary IMHO. Folks need to patiently wait for the furor to die down, and for the usual trolls to wander away. Once those things happen, this section will be fine to discuss both waxing and racing.
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Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire
Best idea I've heard in a LONG TIME. Put all of the racing stuff (vids, roll racing, track talk, frewway pulls, and generic performance related dink measuring threads) in one convenient location. Or, maybe a section for us waxers/posers/collector's that are sick of the constant dick swinging bravado...
I second this.

It is clear that there is a very severe line between people who utilize the performance in their performance cars and those that do not.

Unlike any other car groups that I know of - it literally seems to be one or the other - so a "waxers" section and "racing" section seems to make sense.

That should help those that see wanting to understand the performance capabilities of their performance cars as "whining and complaining" to stay away from said information.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
I'll inquire for you about starting a ZO6 Performance section. Or maybe we should just call it the pissing, bitching and moaning section......
Steven; I love a man with a sense of humor. THANK YOU again for getting me the great avatar. I love this site dearly and I try hard to keep my complaining to a minimum. I love with a passion the new ZO6 the only thing I don't love is how GM does business. In other words, allocations, constraints, etc etc. I still find it hard to "understand" how a major "Global" company wouldn't contract with a 2nd supplier to eliminate the constraints. If a person thinks about it logically wouldn't you do that to keep your customers happy???? I know I sure would.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 03:32 PM
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Isn't the single biggest topic of interest for the Z06 PERFORMANCE? After all, it is simply a performance upgrade over the normal C7, right?. So, it not talking about performance, what would be discussed vs a normal C7?
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Originally Posted by jvp
That's called the "Off Topic" section or the "Political" section. I don't get a vote, but I'm casting it anyway: a separate section isn't necessary IMHO. Folks need to patiently wait for the furor to die down, and for the usual trolls to wander away. Once those things happen, this section will be fine to discuss both waxing and racing.
I hope you're right. But, honestly, I'm not very optimistic. It's entirely a function of the demographic of buyers at this price point. You don't see this on Rennlist's 991 TT site. But, it's a bit saltier in the 993 section.

It wasn't too often that I saw this kind stuff over in the ZR1 section a couple years ago. I suspect that we won't see nearly as much in the ZR1/Zora section when it opens.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Glenn Quagmire
I hope you're right. But, honestly, I'm not very optimistic. It's entirely a function of the demographic of buyers at this price point. You don't see this on Rennlist's 991 TT site. But, it's a bit saltier in the 993 section.

It wasn't too often that I saw this kind stuff over in the ZR1 section a couple years ago. I suspect that we won't see nearly as much in the ZR1/Zora section when it opens.
Can you please explain what you mean "a function of the demographic of buyers"?

You seem to be implying people of greater wealth are more refined and those with less are "saltier"?

It also seems that you are stating that wealthier people would more than likely be uninterested in the performance of their performance cars and be "waxers"?

Am I understanding you correctly?
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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
I'll inquire for you about starting a ZO6 Performance section. Or maybe we should just call it the pissing, bitching and moaning section......
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 04:20 PM
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I love with a passion the new ZO6 the only thing I don't love is how GM does business. In other words, allocations, constraints, etc etc. I still find it hard to "understand" how a major "Global" company wouldn't contract with a 2nd supplier to eliminate the constraints.
This is a perfect example of how pissing contests start and how threads get pulled off topic. I am no defender of gm but I am a businessman. Everything costs money...and maybe the suppliers have protections in their contracts to keep gm from undercutting them. The previous is an example of two opinions on a subject that have nothing to do with the ops topic. Taking a topic off subject amounts to the same as trolling. I meant no offense to you patriot77.
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Originally Posted by vtknight
Can you please explain what you mean "a function of the demographic of buyers"?

You seem to be implying people of greater wealth are more refined and those with less are "saltier"?

It also seems that you are stating that wealthier people would more than likely be uninterested in the performance of their performance cars and be "waxers"?

Am I understanding you correctly?
Yeah. I'm on a bunch of different forums for various cars and it's fairly prevalent...unfortunately. But, not as bad as here. It seems like as the price goes up, the buyers get older and their testosterone drops.

This isn't meant to **** on anyone, or infer anything about their wealth. Obviously, nearly all here have a level of wealth that far exceeds the average American. This is a lot of car for a relatively low price, which makes it available to a larger group of personalities. More personalities provide greater opportunity for diverse opinions.
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Glen, what are you getting at? I hope you are not saying what it sounds like. Do you think anyone with a car that costs more than an average car is a nicer ,better, or maybe more refined forum member?
I hope you don't think that way but still....
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That's called the "Off Topic" section or the "Political" section. I don't get a vote, but I'm casting it anyway: a separate section isn't necessary IMHO. Folks need to patiently wait for the furor to die down, and for the usual trolls to wander away. Once those things happen, this section will be fine to discuss both waxing and racing.


I spend much less time here lately because of the issues, but I also think it is already beginning to resolve. a couple members are now in many ignore bins and you can already feel the effect.

Finally, I don't think creating the new section will remove the problems. There are other forums more heavily moderated. They don't have the traffic that this forum enjoys, but they also have none of the problems.
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Originally Posted by Steven Bell
I'll inquire for you about starting a ZO6 Performance section. Or maybe we should just call it the pissing, bitching and moaning section......
That is a more appropriate name for it.
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Old Jan 3, 2015 | 05:36 PM
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Here's an idea:

If someone creates a thread that says "The C7Z06 makes _________ obsolete" -- lock it.

If someone creates a thread that says "The _______ leaves the C7Z06 in its dust" -- lock it.

Both of these sentiments have gone through the ringer multiple times, so they would be considered double-posting anyway. (In case you're looking for an excuse to lock them.)
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