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Old Jun 27, 2015 | 04:20 PM
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hey guys I'm at Laguna seca and just boiled my coolant. I've let it cool and added water, I tried to run it with the cap off to burp the system and it was just spewing water all over the place within a few min. Let it cool for 20 min, put the cap on, and started and went from 190 coolant to 240 in 5 minutes.

Any ideas? Trying to salvage a track weekend
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Old Jun 27, 2015 | 04:59 PM
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Let the car cool down open the cap and let idle while you fill it with cap off until it is tomthe hot line,let idle with cap off for 10 minutes just use water.
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How cool do I need to let it get? Got it cooling for 45 min and that didn't do the trick.

This is the coolest track day I've ever done, 72, and the first time I'm having issues. Only change is the halltech intake maybe that turns up boost and lowers IAT temps too much.
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Did you install a 170 thermostat?
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Did you install a 170 thermostat?
No I didn't. That would turn the fan on earlier?
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I'm wondering if the water pump is failing because it just starts boiling over around 220 and I don't see it draining or cycling at all when the thermostat opens up.
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Fill the tank when it is cool, say under 150 deg. When it is full replace the cap, start it up and run it at 2500 rpms for 2 mins. Open cap and add water as needed.

You probably have air in the system.
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Mine did this same thing, I could not figure it out, the dealership replaced the water pump but I have not track since, I am running VIR this Monday/Tuesday with the NCM so we will see.

As a side note I did have a 170 therm in it and I was not sure if it "cocked sideways" as it was a Lingerfeild and they have recalled as the diameter was to small.

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Originally Posted by Cyclone09Z06
Mine did this same thing, I could not figure it out, the dealership replaced the water pump but I have not track since, I am running VIR this Monday/Tuesday with the NCM so we will see.

As a side note I did have a 170 therm in it and I was not sure if it "cocked sideways" as it was a Lingerfeild and they have recalled as the diameter was to small.
Would you have been able to drive on the street the way yours was? I don't think I could now the way it is
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I am not sure as I had trailered it. Sorry, did you try to let it cool all the way and than refill?
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I am not sure as I had trailered it. Sorry, did you try to let it cool all the way and than refill?
Not exactly all the way. Maybe to 170 or so. I'm gonna go drink some beer and hope the car cools off overnight and lets me burp it in the mornin
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Not exactly all the way. Maybe to 170 or so. I'm gonna go drink some beer and hope the car cools off overnight and lets me burp it in the mornin
This would be what I would do
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I sure hope this isn't the case for you but back in the day overheating caused some blown head gaskets. Tell tale sign was piston compression being pumped into the cooling system then pumping out coolant from the overflow, radiator or exhaust.
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I'm sure there is a special coolant refill procedure in the service manual. If you follow those procedures and it doesn't solve the problem, which I am assuming is air in the system, I would give up on the weekend. Ruining an engine would be a high cost to pay.

If you don't have the service manual, I think the owner's manual probably has the information.
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Originally Posted by Mad Dog 24
I sure hope this isn't the case for you but back in the day overheating caused some blown head gaskets. Tell tale sign was piston compression being pumped into the cooling system then pumping out coolant from the overflow, radiator or exhaust.
Ya I don't have any signs of that
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Fill the tank when it is cool, say under 150 deg. When it is full replace the cap, start it up and run it at 2500 rpms for 2 mins. Open cap and add water as needed.

You probably have air in the system.
Should I drain some coolant first to make sure I've got room in the system for some overfill to be taken up? I'm right at the line now so I don't know if when the T-Stat opens there will be any room for it to suck much overfill in.

Speaking of that line, I see only 1. I assume that's the min line?
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It wouldn't hurt to run the heater until the thermostat opens make sure any air is purged from the heater core.
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Well unfortunately no luck and I'm heading home. Overheated going 5 mph in the paddock. I think the water pump may be bad because I never saw bubbles coming out and the car would just boil and overflow at about 220 when idling.
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Not sure this will help - a little "apples and oranges", but the principal should be the same. I had a young friend with the same problem you describe with his Firebird. He changed the thermostat, hoses, etc., but no fix. Finally, I had to "crack open" the system and manually fill the entire system from the highest point in his system, which happened to be the intake manifold boss for the thermostat housing. It took some time, but I finally got all of the air out of the system, and he never had a cooling issue after that. Any time there is a water passage above the point you are trying to fill from, it is difficult to remove trapped air. When the car has a low hood line, it can make the problem worse. On my race car, I have a vent fitting at the top of one end tank (Ron Davis radiator) with a hose running to the top of the surge tank mounted higher than both the radiator and the motor. Again, not sure this will help you, but it sure sounds like trapped air in the system to me. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by mfain
Not sure this will help - a little "apples and oranges", but the principal should be the same. I had a young friend with the same problem you describe with his Firebird. He changed the thermostat, hoses, etc., but no fix. Finally, I had to "crack open" the system and manually fill the entire system from the highest point in his system, which happened to be the intake manifold boss for the thermostat housing. It took some time, but I finally got all of the air out of the system, and he never had a cooling issue after that. Any time there is a water passage above the point you are trying to fill from, it is difficult to remove trapped air. When the car has a low hood line, it can make the problem worse. On my race car, I have a vent fitting at the top of one end tank (Ron Davis radiator) with a hose running to the top of the surge tank mounted higher than both the radiator and the motor. Again, not sure this will help you, but it sure sounds like trapped air in the system to me. Good luck.

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The surge tank is where I was filling from and that is the highest point. I also jacked the nose of the car up.
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