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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 08:40 PM
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I always crack up when people think they're saving the environment by driving a quad turbo V8 engine strapped to a luxury barge. Why not buy the Audi A1 if you want to save the environment for real?
because a A1 is to small.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 08:54 PM
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because a A1 is to small.
Max boot space is comparable to a 6 series (both with seats down):
A1 920 liters
A6 coupe 995 liters

Either way, giving up storage space to save the environment is a variable just like engine size.

Not that I'd get an A1, I believe in technology, not suffering.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick

Well played, sir.

Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick
Not that I'd get an A1, I believe in technology, not suffering.
Can I take it you have a Model S in your garage?
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick
Max boot space is comparable to a 6 series (both with seats down):
A1 920 liters
A6 coupe 995 liters

Either way, giving up storage space to save the environment is a variable just like engine size.

Not that I'd get an A1, I believe in technology, not suffering.
Still overall these new turbo v8 engines do produce less emissions. which is something that is looked over by many americans. Americans typically only look for MPG.

Audi isnt making these new engines because customers are wanting to save the planet. Government laws are demanding it.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Well played, sir.

Can I take it you have a Model S in your garage?
I drive the Z everywhere.

Had used up tiny Honda engines all my life before this. My work is done.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeLsx
Still overall these new turbo v8 engines do produce less emissions. which is something that is looked over by many americans. Americans typically only look for MPG.
True.

Audi isnt making these new engines because customers are wanting to save the planet. Government laws are demanding it.
Not ONLY Audi, but all manufacturers.
Turbos are just a stop gap until plug-ins take over the commuting car market.
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Old Jul 8, 2016 | 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick
I drive the Z everywhere.
I keep mine out of the Oregon rain (too lazy to wash it all the time).

Had used up tiny Honda engines all my life before this. My work is done.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ZenicaPA
$400,000?

At that price point it better exceed the cars being bench-marked.
It won't matter if it exceeds the performance of other $400,000 cars being benchmarked...few people will want a $400,000 "chevy."

If the corvette is to go rear mid engine, GM better make damn well sure they keep the price right around where ZO6/ZO7 pricing is today.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Paulchristian
It won't matter if it exceeds the performance of other $400,000 cars being benchmarked...few people will want a $400,000 "chevy."

If the corvette is to go rear mid engine, GM better make damn well sure they keep the price right around where ZO6/ZO7 pricing is today.
There can't be a huge jump in pricing for the C8.
GM needs to keep in mind most Corvette buyers won't care diddly-squat about the virtues of mid-engine over front engine design.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
True.

Not ONLY Audi, but all manufacturers.
Turbos are just a stop gap until plug-ins take over the commuting car market.
With 2.00 gas and the last 2 plugins that I saw had 2 mini vans and no one cared. The Plug-in will be a long long while IF they survive.
The short range makes them a no buy in my book.

Something happens everyone will leave all the "plug-ins" behind
Includes Tesla
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1
With 2.00 gas and the last 2 plugins that I saw had 2 mini vans and no one cared. The Plug-in will be a long long while IF they survive.
The short range makes them a no buy in my book.

Something happens everyone will leave all the "plug-ins" behind
Includes Tesla
Teslas get way over 200 miles on a charge and that makes them acceptable for commuting anywhere in the Willamette Valley.
Heck, I see them all the time while driving back and forth to Bend.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Teslas get way over 200 miles on a charge and that makes them acceptable for commuting anywhere in the Willamette Valley.
Heck, I see them all the time while driving back and forth to Bend.

Yup.

Maximum range on a Tesla at this point is with the Model S 90D, which has a range of 294 miles.
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Old Jul 9, 2016 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06
Yup.

Maximum range on a Tesla at this point is with the Model S 90D, which has a range of 294 miles.
At a fuel cost equaling 90 mpg, it's a no brainer for anyone wanting a sedan.
Another big bonus is it's an extremely good looking car too (IMO).
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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SBC_and_a_stick
UGH, forget about ALMS the game is rigged, has been for decades. It doesn't matter who wins. Racing is so regulated and unfair it bares no resemblance to street car potential.

You want a real comparison? Look at Ferrari. They make FMR and MR cars correct? Which ones are better? The MR series are always the fastest. The F12 has a V12 but still can't touch the 458. What's the entry model? California, FMR. What's the top of the line? Always an MR. Enzo, La Ferrari, GT50, GT40.



There will never be a limit, but that's the wrong comparison. The real question is can you make a faster car by moving the engine in MR vs. FMR. The answer is yes. Simple. It won't be as practical, but it will be faster.
I think its obvious today that IMSA is rigged, please justify your comment that ALMS was rigged with sound data or facts...
There is plenty of data that refutes that comment.

As for the F12, you may need to check your stats again...

Ferrari reports that the F12berlinetta is capable of lapping the Fiorano test circuit in 1 minute, 23 seconds; three seconds slower than LaFerrari, a full second faster than the 599 GTO, two seconds faster than the Enzo, two seconds faster than the 458 Italia, three seconds faster than the 430 Scuderia and three and a half seconds faster than the 599 GTB.[9]

Even better, the Z06 has beaten pretty much all of those already. 3 seconds on the 458 Italia at Laguna, a few more seconds at VIR over the F12.

Your assertions aren't being supported by sound evidence so far.

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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
I think its obvious today that IMSA is rigged, please justify your comment that ALMS was rigged with sound data or facts...
There is plenty of data that refutes that comment.

As for the F12, you may need to check your stats again...

Ferrari reports that the F12berlinetta is capable of lapping the Fiorano test circuit in 1 minute, 23 seconds; three seconds slower than LaFerrari, a full second faster than the 599 GTO, two seconds faster than the Enzo, two seconds faster than the 458 Italia, three seconds faster than the 430 Scuderia and three and a half seconds faster than the 599 GTB.[9]

Even better, the Z06 has beaten pretty much all of those already. 3 seconds on the 458 Italia at Laguna, a few more seconds at VIR over the F12.

Your assertions aren't being supported by sound evidence so far.
F12 TDF is like 2 seconds faster than the 488 as well @ Fiorano...
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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by sunsalem
Teslas get way over 200 miles on a charge and that makes them acceptable for commuting anywhere in the Willamette Valley.
Heck, I see them all the time while driving back and forth to Bend.
I wouldn't spend on that much on car with those limits. I just drove 3500 miles last week. My 2015 Z06 has 20k My 2015 GMC has 15,000.
My piece of crap 2016 Tacoma TRD has 6,000 miles. My 2006 Colorado gets the bulk of the miles with 200,000.

I go far too many places to own any electric car.
What happens if you drive to bend then have to leave right away? Sorry not good enough yet.

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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1
I wouldn't spend on that much on car with those limits. I just drove 3500 miles last week. My 2015 Z06 has 20k My 2015 GMC has 15,000.
My piece of crap 2016 Tacoma TRD has 6,000 miles. My 2006 Colorado gets the bulk of the miles with 200,000.
THAT'S some serious driving...

I go far too many places to own any electric car.
What happens if you drive to bend then have to leave right away? Sorry not good enough yet.
There are charging stations almost everywhere now and more coming all the time: https://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger
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Old Jul 10, 2016 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 3 Z06ZR1
I wouldn't spend on that much on car with those limits. I just drove 3500 miles last week. My 2015 Z06 has 20k My 2015 GMC has 15,000.
My piece of crap 2016 Tacoma TRD has 6,000 miles. My 2006 Colorado gets the bulk of the miles with 200,000.

I go far too many places to own any electric car.
What happens if you drive to bend then have to leave right away? Sorry not good enough yet.
That's some serious driving.

Have you considered buying an airplane and learning how to fly if you don't know already?
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Old Jul 11, 2016 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by '06 Quicksilver Z06
That's some serious driving.

Have you considered buying an airplane and learning how to fly if you don't know already?
To the beach home is 80 miles. 120 mile commute to work fro my main home so I have another home by work.

I stay there 4 nights a week 72 miles from home. Glad I'm done working next year and will sell 1 house and 1 left in the midwest will hopefully be gone too. That was the 3500 miles I just drove there.
Yep I drive a ton of interstate.
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$400,00K? This guy was sucking on exhaust gas. Between $100 and $200K.
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