7:13 'Ring Lap time from the C7 Z06
08-27-2017, 07:54 PM
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In racing, a hundredth of a second can make the difference between winning and losing. Let alone 3 seconds.
Nurburgring lap times are a form of racing, racing against the clock.
Most people who own cars like ours are car enthusiasts of one kind or another, and much of the car buff tradition is based on racing and high performance, even if not every car buff races.
Now tell me all about your Corvette, and what you use it for, and I'm sure I can come up with many things about that situation which are "stupid". For example, why do you even own a Corvette, when a Prius will get you from point A to point B just fine?
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08-27-2017, 09:35 PM
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Heads and Cam this weekend on a Viper! ;)
An 100oct tune and a larger radiator for next weeks cooler weather.
The fastest Nurburgring cars all have received special tweaks!
The fastest Nurburgring cars all have received special tweaks!
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08-28-2017, 12:30 AM
#704
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Now??? You should have been objecting 4 days ago when the GT-R, the GT3 997, and the ZL1 were brought into the discussion- and 2 days ago you yourself were talking about the Viper.
And if you're going to criticize Warp Factor for making a joke about ****** and tongues, why not do the same to the guy who brought on that comment by saying the Viper "looks like a ***** on wheels"- punky. Funny how he also calls the GT-R ugly when both cars have run faster than the Z06 at the ring. If that kind of childishness wasn't happening, people could just have a mature discussion without the petty remarks.
And if you're going to criticize Warp Factor for making a joke about ****** and tongues, why not do the same to the guy who brought on that comment by saying the Viper "looks like a ***** on wheels"- punky. Funny how he also calls the GT-R ugly when both cars have run faster than the Z06 at the ring. If that kind of childishness wasn't happening, people could just have a mature discussion without the petty remarks.
Regarding the latest posts about the Viper ACR-E and the latest Ring attempt I am not surprised they did not go any faster. They certainly may go faster but I think there are a couple issues working against them.
The first challenge I believe is that the tires on it are prone to overheating and disintegrating quickly. During the sessions I drove it with the Kumho's on the car I overheated the fronts in about 4 minutes and the car started to push. I took mine off after three sessions and they have never been back on. My guess is that around the 4 minute mark of a lap at the Ring or even sooner the tires are starting to get very greasy.
The second issue I believe is that there are quite a few high speed sections there and the car just isn't that fast. It only goes 170 mph or so on that long straight. That's just not fast enough when compared to a 918 at 181 mph on the same stretch of track. I left a video and you can see when I put the car in 5th it picks up maybe 12 mph?
The current C7Z is quicker and faster than a Viper ACR-E. It just doesn't have the downforce to maintain comparable corner speeds. The new ZR1 should change that.
The first challenge I believe is that the tires on it are prone to overheating and disintegrating quickly. During the sessions I drove it with the Kumho's on the car I overheated the fronts in about 4 minutes and the car started to push. I took mine off after three sessions and they have never been back on. My guess is that around the 4 minute mark of a lap at the Ring or even sooner the tires are starting to get very greasy.
The second issue I believe is that there are quite a few high speed sections there and the car just isn't that fast. It only goes 170 mph or so on that long straight. That's just not fast enough when compared to a 918 at 181 mph on the same stretch of track. I left a video and you can see when I put the car in 5th it picks up maybe 12 mph?
The current C7Z is quicker and faster than a Viper ACR-E. It just doesn't have the downforce to maintain comparable corner speeds. The new ZR1 should change that.
anyway, I agree the tires and straights are the most challenging for the ACR, which makes me question would the non-E do better at the ring...
as far as the Z and ACR thing, I don't think the Z (ZO7) is any quicker than the ACR, maybe slightly faster..
I agree if the Z had all the engineering and df as the ACR, it would be as fast as the ACR in the turns, however then you'd feel the slowing that all the aero does as well
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08-28-2017, 05:01 AM
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I wonder if the Viper tearing up tires is a Kuhmo issue, or if the increased downforce and cornering loads the aero makes possible (combined with the weight of that car) would tear up pretty much any tire on that track?
08-28-2017, 06:51 AM
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A properly configured and sized wing might allow the Z to have increased downforce, with reduced drag, compared to the current spoiler. A wing can be one of the most efficient lifting shapes.
I wonder if the Viper tearing up tires is a Kuhmo issue, or if the increased downforce and cornering loads the aero makes possible (combined with the weight of that car) would tear up pretty much any tire on that track?
I wonder if the Viper tearing up tires is a Kuhmo issue, or if the increased downforce and cornering loads the aero makes possible (combined with the weight of that car) would tear up pretty much any tire on that track?
I really would like to see how a set up cup 2's under the same conditions myself
08-28-2017, 07:40 AM
#709
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whatsup bud, glad to see you and wife tearing up the Glen (which by the was is my fav track) which Ive never done in a car but have on 2 of my bikes.
anyway, I agree the tires and straights are the most challenging for the ACR, which makes me question would the non-E do better at the ring...
as far as the Z and ACR thing, I don't think the Z (ZO7) is any quicker than the ACR, maybe slightly faster..
I agree if the Z had all the engineering and df as the ACR, it would be as fast as the ACR in the turns, however then you'd feel the slowing that all the aero does as well
The Glen was at the end of July and we had some fun. My Wife is liking her C7GS ok but really wants her C6Z back. She likes fast, loud and scary and the GS isn't any of those. It's a fun street car.
In the couple straight away drag races I have had from fairly low speed the C7Z's always seem to make good speed off the corner onto the straights. It's always the sustained longer corners where I make time on them.
I am hopeful that the ZR1 has just enough aero to keep it planted in the fast corners but not so much that it's like driving around with huge air brakes on all the time. I am confident the car will be incredibly fast at all the tracks I go to. Maybe GM will set out in earnest to put down a competitive time at the Ring' in the new car?
08-29-2017, 07:36 AM
#712
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The Viper is back at the Ring this morning. Maybe they will finally get under 7:00. I'm sure Team ZR1 Corvette is waiting on the Viper time before they finalize their own time.
From Bridge To Gantry this morning.
SOUND ON �� It's 8am and the Viper is taking advantage of cooler morning air... I hope the track isn't damp though!
From Bridge To Gantry this morning.
SOUND ON �� It's 8am and the Viper is taking advantage of cooler morning air... I hope the track isn't damp though!
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08-29-2017, 07:52 AM
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ZR1!? still developing!
Big aero and ascending over 900 feet is obviously a bummer.
GM needs to steal a version of the Performante aero!
Then again a big HP, autonomous PTM, and magnesium wheel combo!?
GM needs to steal a version of the Performante aero!
Then again a big HP, autonomous PTM, and magnesium wheel combo!?
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08-29-2017, 09:08 AM
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A properly configured and sized wing might allow the Z to have increased downforce, with reduced drag, compared to the current spoiler. A wing can be one of the most efficient lifting shapes.
I wonder if the Viper tearing up tires is a Kuhmo issue, or if the increased downforce and cornering loads the aero makes possible (combined with the weight of that car) would tear up pretty much any tire on that track?
I wonder if the Viper tearing up tires is a Kuhmo issue, or if the increased downforce and cornering loads the aero makes possible (combined with the weight of that car) would tear up pretty much any tire on that track?
I'll bet this guy is going to get himself a good "Ring" time!
08-29-2017, 10:44 AM
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Scraping the splitter.
08-29-2017, 10:50 AM
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I am not and never will be a "Ring" time aficionado but am aware of where the C7 Z06 stands among the worlds performance vehicles and a 7:13 does not appear to need any "defense". I've owned a '16, A8 Z06 and am looking to purchase a new or low mile used '17 or '18 M7 and would continue to do so regardless of posted "Ring" time. This metric is very unlikely to alter a potential buyers purchase decision. Is there anyone out there who won't buy a Z06 until he sees a 7:10 second "Ring" time posted? LOL, ridiculous.
08-29-2017, 11:53 AM
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08-29-2017, 12:02 PM
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Wasn't funny when you posted the same pic as "Drmustang", isn't any more witty with your new persona.
You keep saying nobody cares about the ring but I can tell you someone that cared, cared a lot actually. GM. At least enough to have pictures of the Nurburgring plastered on the wall at the reveal.
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08-29-2017, 01:12 PM
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Wasn't funny when you posted the same pic as "Drmustang", isn't any more witty with your new persona.
You keep saying nobody cares about the ring but I can tell you someone that cared, cared a lot actually. GM. At least enough to have pictures of the Nurburgring plastered on the wall at the reveal.
You keep saying nobody cares about the ring but I can tell you someone that cared, cared a lot actually. GM. At least enough to have pictures of the Nurburgring plastered on the wall at the reveal.
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