2300 TVS Heartbeat!
04-06-2018, 03:06 PM
#201
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Quick question, does anyone have the performance Map's for either the 1.7, 2.3, or 2.65 blowers? I have been looking and found Eaton Maps for their R1740, R2300, and R2650; however not much luck on the Magnuson chargers or stock equipment.
Also, the numbers seem respectable given the upgrades and direct bolt-ons. My opinion is that you chose an engineered type approach in terms of lowering intake temps and increasing mass airflow, similar to how GM designed the LT5. The result should be a long term reliable solution that does not pose significant risk to the LT4 platform.
Quite frankly, I think your goal was respectable and provides the rest of the forum good information. Different people will obviously have their opinions on how HP should be reached, but that will always be the case.
My thoughts would be that mimicking the LT5 should be fairly easy, minus the supplemental PFI, which will be challenging. In my mind the first step would be to reduce the upstream pressure drop to maintain an inlet air temperature/pressure as close to atmospheric conditions as possible (obviously CAI/TB). The second step would be to select a blower that operates at an RPM close to the peak efficiency of the performance map (FYI - the LT5 blower consumes up to 110HP to operate under stock conditions!!!), making adjustments depending on how you want power to be delivered. For example, do you want maximum blower efficiency to hit at 3000RPM or at 5000RPM? The last step would be to address fueling concerns, may need to install a cam to take advantage of a modified fuel lobe and perhaps also tweak to match upgraded blower. (Anybody have the specs on the new LT5 cam?)
I am sure someone can comment on CAI/TB/CAM/93 octane, and blower. I imagine close, if not over 700WHP on 93 possible... Thoughts?
Also, the numbers seem respectable given the upgrades and direct bolt-ons. My opinion is that you chose an engineered type approach in terms of lowering intake temps and increasing mass airflow, similar to how GM designed the LT5. The result should be a long term reliable solution that does not pose significant risk to the LT4 platform.
Quite frankly, I think your goal was respectable and provides the rest of the forum good information. Different people will obviously have their opinions on how HP should be reached, but that will always be the case.
My thoughts would be that mimicking the LT5 should be fairly easy, minus the supplemental PFI, which will be challenging. In my mind the first step would be to reduce the upstream pressure drop to maintain an inlet air temperature/pressure as close to atmospheric conditions as possible (obviously CAI/TB). The second step would be to select a blower that operates at an RPM close to the peak efficiency of the performance map (FYI - the LT5 blower consumes up to 110HP to operate under stock conditions!!!), making adjustments depending on how you want power to be delivered. For example, do you want maximum blower efficiency to hit at 3000RPM or at 5000RPM? The last step would be to address fueling concerns, may need to install a cam to take advantage of a modified fuel lobe and perhaps also tweak to match upgraded blower. (Anybody have the specs on the new LT5 cam?)
I am sure someone can comment on CAI/TB/CAM/93 octane, and blower. I imagine close, if not over 700WHP on 93 possible... Thoughts?
ZR1 power with my Z06!
I wanted to stay on pump gas with easy bolt-on s and not ruin drive ability. Drives like stock! But is a beast! But no on cam change and no on fuel mods! Running 12 AFR ratio across the sheet. Perfect tune very safe. Time for another drive!
04-06-2018, 03:09 PM
#202
Last edited by fst85vtt; 04-06-2018 at 03:11 PM. Reason: The heartbeat can be had for 4400. last i checked... And a tune for around 3 4700 for an all around better platform
04-06-2018, 03:13 PM
#203
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04-06-2018, 03:25 PM
#204
I wanted to stay on pump gas with easy bolt-on s and not ruin drive ability. Drives like stock! But is a beast! But no on cam change and no on fuel mods! Running 12 AFR ratio across the sheet. Perfect tune very safe. Time for another drive![/QUOTE]
This right here is what I'm looking for, Not a Unicorn one hit wonder
This right here is what I'm looking for, Not a Unicorn one hit wonder
04-06-2018, 03:45 PM
#205
And In reality he could easily sell his stock 1.7 for a few thousand all day long then the cost isn't all that bad now is it
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samwint77 (05-02-2019)
04-06-2018, 04:22 PM
#206
Drifting
This was not a 2300 on an otherwise unmodded LT4.
Last edited by AZGASSER; 04-06-2018 at 04:24 PM.
04-06-2018, 05:10 PM
#207
Thank you! You Sir sound like you know what your talking about for sure.
ZR1 power with my Z06!
I wanted to stay on pump gas with easy bolt-on s and not ruin drive ability. Drives like stock! But is a beast! But no on cam change and no on fuel mods! Running 12 AFR ratio across the sheet. Perfect tune very safe. Time for another drive!
ZR1 power with my Z06!
I wanted to stay on pump gas with easy bolt-on s and not ruin drive ability. Drives like stock! But is a beast! But no on cam change and no on fuel mods! Running 12 AFR ratio across the sheet. Perfect tune very safe. Time for another drive!
Does the heartbeat tvs2300 come w a new heat exchanger? What other parts are included? What is the warranty w the Magnusson?
Last edited by tripz; 04-06-2018 at 05:10 PM.
04-06-2018, 05:45 PM
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Have "you and you" had an independent source check to see whether you have both oars in the water?
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AZGASSER (04-06-2018)
04-06-2018, 05:53 PM
#209
Drifting
I am planning on doing the 2300 with CPR and that is why I am so curious about the numbers. However when I go down that road I will have Joe crack the engine and do a cam and other supporting mods to get the most out of it.
I agree it is much more effecient at improving airflow than the factory blower but like I said the number seem low. That is what he got for his upgrade and tune, so can’t argue that. He met his goal however low it was. I am just saying that for hitting those dyno numbers there were probably easier and cheaper ways to get there. Granted he did the work so he saved on labor but still laid out $5K to get not a huge gain.
I agree it is much more effecient at improving airflow than the factory blower but like I said the number seem low. That is what he got for his upgrade and tune, so can’t argue that. He met his goal however low it was. I am just saying that for hitting those dyno numbers there were probably easier and cheaper ways to get there. Granted he did the work so he saved on labor but still laid out $5K to get not a huge gain.
04-06-2018, 06:34 PM
#212
I agree, a 1.7 on pump gas likely can't make 675whp.
Heads/cam/CAI/2300 on a 2017 zl1. Mustang dyno, 703HP and 620TQ.
Interesting
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n47E4Ozwhrk
https://youtu.be/n47E4Ozwhrk
Heads/cam/CAI/2300 on a 2017 zl1. Mustang dyno, 703HP and 620TQ.
Interesting
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n47E4Ozwhrk
https://youtu.be/n47E4Ozwhrk
Last edited by ckassen; 04-06-2018 at 06:37 PM.
04-06-2018, 07:25 PM
#214
I am planning on doing the 2300 with CPR and that is why I am so curious about the numbers. However when I go down that road I will have Joe crack the engine and do a cam and other supporting mods to get the most out of it.
I agree it is much more effecient at improving airflow than the factory blower but like I said the number seem low. That is what he got for his upgrade and tune, so can’t argue that. He met his goal however low it was. I am just saying that for hitting those dyno numbers there were probably easier and cheaper ways to get there. Granted he did the work so he saved on labor but still laid out $5K to get not a huge gain.
I agree it is much more effecient at improving airflow than the factory blower but like I said the number seem low. That is what he got for his upgrade and tune, so can’t argue that. He met his goal however low it was. I am just saying that for hitting those dyno numbers there were probably easier and cheaper ways to get there. Granted he did the work so he saved on labor but still laid out $5K to get not a huge gain.
04-06-2018, 08:07 PM
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Probably better to increase the boost, than increase the static compression ratio. In general, the higher the boost, the lower the static compression ratio needs to be. And the higher boost has the potential to increase power (volumetric efficiency) much more than an increase in static compression ratio does, as long as the heat from compressing the air doesn't push intake air temperatures too high.
04-06-2018, 08:31 PM
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04-06-2018, 08:46 PM
#217
Melting Slicks
How is it on a road course. Any baboon can go straight.
Temps?
Durability?
Temps?
Durability?
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spinkick (02-10-2019)
04-06-2018, 08:47 PM
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looking online looks like the2300 edelbrock does 100 at wheels. The runner design on the edelbrock 2300 is different might lead to a better overall number.
574/591 stock
681/695 with just blower changed out at 13.3 psi
574/591 stock
681/695 with just blower changed out at 13.3 psi
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NORCAL-SS (04-06-2018)
04-06-2018, 11:18 PM
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