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That's amazing. I never got that kind of results. My rotors never lasted 5 days and I'd get a pedal that would go to the floor at least once every session and then be fine. Scared the crap out of me when it would happen. I think I was getting pad knock back. Switched to the Ap's and never had any trouble.
Some drive harder than others. Just like how many have never overheated a Z06 with an aux radiator.
Last edited by BrunoTheMellow; 06-08-2019 at 07:10 PM.
Did anyone here switch from CCB to iron brakes? I mean the whole set up, calipers+ rotors+pads?
Just curious, how did you guys do it? Buy the whole set up new? or used? Any good vendors for the whole set up, specially the calipers?
That's amazing. I never got that kind of results. My rotors never lasted 5 days and I'd get a pedal that would go to the floor at least once every session and then be fine. Scared the crap out of me when it would happen. I think I was getting pad knock back. Switched to the Ap's and never had any trouble.
Yeah I’m no poorsha. Only running 2:06 at VIR full course, not 2:02’s.
Did anyone here switch from CCB to iron brakes? I mean the whole set up, calipers+ rotors+pads?
Just curious, how did you guys do it? Buy the whole set up new? or used? Any good vendors for the whole set up, specially the calipers?
LOL. Hell, even Bruno who I believe knows the difference calls them "steel" rotors when they are in fact iron. Being an engineer this is one of my pet peeves. I tell younger engineers "words are important."
For some reason I get really annoyed by the multitude of people who don't know the difference between "rims" and "wheels". It's crazy how many people call wheels "rims". How many times have you read a post of someone asking where to buy a decent set of forged "rims". I think they'd be better off with the entire "wheel" being forged instead of just the "rim."
This is no different than calling a piston an engine. A piston is one specific piece/component of an engine, same as a rim is a specific component of a wheel. I realize I'm just **** and it just is what it is...
Hey guys,
I know this is an old thread, but i am at the same cross roads. I currently have Z07 CCBs and i plan to track the car, not a complete track car, but more like 5 track days a season. All my research points to CCBs being expensive to run. So my other options are
A. Girodisc CCB replacement rotors
B. Stock Z06 full brake kit
C. AP racing big brake kit.
D. Stock Z06 steel caliper with girodisc or other lighter rotors?
I sat and collected some numbers on the weights and cost for the first 3 options. This data is from different sources, so there will be some minor discrepancy here and there.
Btw, i will be holding on to the stock CCB set up, which i plan to re-install if i stop tracking or when i sell the car.
Having said that, looks like going to a Z06 steel set up is probably my ideal option, as in, its a good tradeoff between performance and cost. I get the fact that the AP racing kit is kickass, but so is the cost. I get the fact that running cost is lower, but so is it on the stock set up... replacement rotors are same cost as the rings for AP racing rotors.
Also, once i am doing using the Z06 stock set up, i might be able to recoup atleast 1000-1200 by selling all 4 calipers, right? So that should bring down my total investment for plan B to about 2500.
Am i missing some critical information here?
Your spreadsheet doesn't have one of the options you listed...
D. Stock Z06 steel caliper with girodisc or other lighter rotors?
I emailed essex and inquired about why they don't offer replacement stock irons for z06 like they do for GTR and they just pointed to the whole kit and said that at this time they are not planning on offering stock iron replacement. Girodisc is selling theirs for 1K, so I think there is business case, but maybe they realized with better rotors their kit would not sell.
Regardless I think girodisc for rear is the right call because of the weight savings.
Front z06 irons could have been beefier or better designed. I guess GM figure if you are going to track it get the Z07 package. I have about 6-7 heavy track days on mine on 3rd set of OEM pads and they have cracks all over but none have yet to protrude to the edges. I did notice difference in OEM compound quality as some pads were wearing much faster than the others and I am having to rotate the pads as I am getting significant tapper, especially on the left side condsidering all my tracks are clock wise.
Later this summer I am planning to replace my OEM irons with camaro ss 1le rotors that also come on ATS V with race pad compound. Those are directional and should offer much better cooling than the stock pillar design, and lets face it both camaro and ATS are heavier cars. Only thing is you got to move over your OEM hats to the new IRON rings from camaro. I think they are about pound or so heavier, but they should offer significant cooling improvement vs stock. If I had money to throw around I would probably get the AP setup, but I feel that 1LE rotors and some race pads will be the best ticket for z06 track setup for the money at $355 per rotor.
Part #'s for Camaro Brakes
Left Side 23142500
Right Side 23189768
Later this summer I am planning to replace my OEM irons with camaro ss 1le rotors that also come on ATS V with race pad compound. Those are directional and should offer much better cooling than the stock pillar design, and lets face it both camaro and ATS are heavier cars. Only thing is you got to move over your OEM hats to the new IRON rings from camaro. I think they are about pound or so heavier, but they should offer significant cooling improvement vs stock. If I had money to throw around I would probably get the AP setup, but I feel that 1LE rotors and some race pads will be the best ticket for z06 track setup for the money at $355 per rotor.
Part #'s for Camaro Brakes
Left Side 23142500
Right Side 23189768
I assume you have done the research but will these 100% for sure fit the corvette z06 J56 iron brake calipers?
So you can't buy the Camaro rotors and use Camaro hats, you have to change to OEM corvette J56 hats? That would mean more money spent on a hardware kit but if they stand up longer that would be better. Can you buy just the corvette hat without discs?
Last edited by formula80_ca; 07-18-2019 at 12:44 AM.
Reason: Added a other question
Yep, the rings will fit. We did the other way around, and were able to fit DBA rings (made for C7 Z) onto my friend's
'17 Camaro SS 1LE.
To be honest, I'd still just go with Girodisc. It's $1K in the beginning, but will be $600 or so for a pair of ring replacements, not much different than OEM Camaro or AP rings (actually a bit cheaper).
Hey guys,
I know this is an old thread, but i am at the same cross roads. I currently have Z07 CCBs and i plan to track the car, not a complete track car, but more like 5 track days a season. All my research points to CCBs being expensive to run. So my other options are
A. Girodisc CCB replacement rotors
B. Stock Z06 full brake kit
C. AP racing big brake kit.
D. Stock Z06 steel caliper with girodisc or other lighter rotors?
I sat and collected some numbers on the weights and cost for the first 3 options. This data is from different sources, so there will be some minor discrepancy here and there.
Btw, i will be holding on to the stock CCB set up, which i plan to re-install if i stop tracking or when i sell the car.
Having said that, looks like going to a Z06 steel set up is probably my ideal option, as in, its a good tradeoff between performance and cost. I get the fact that the AP racing kit is kickass, but so is the cost. I get the fact that running cost is lower, but so is it on the stock set up... replacement rotors are same cost as the rings for AP racing rotors.
Also, once i am doing using the Z06 stock set up, i might be able to recoup atleast 1000-1200 by selling all 4 calipers, right? So that should bring down my total investment for plan B to about 2500.
Am i missing some critical information here?
I just realized your table is only adding up weight for 1 side. I know this is an old thread but that table is fairly wrong and should not be followed.
Last edited by BrunoTheMellow; 07-26-2019 at 01:14 PM.
Stock GM, non-Z07, iron-ish/bronze brakes. Hawk DTC 70 front, 60 rear + Castro’s SRF = flawless braking. I’ve run 30min ON track/ 30min OFF track for 8.5 hours at VIR full course. Repeat braking front straight and back straight from 155 and 165mph with no issues.
How are those Hawk pads for the street? Squeaky? Any down sides? Thank you!
06-08-2019, 07:10 PM
