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I think GM will do something special for the 2020's.
For those who admire the C7 and a manual, yeah, GM could do a real special 2020 and it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. They could upgrade the interior for one year, play a little with the naturally aspirated engine, do some wild colors in that new paint booth. Stuff that the designers and engineers talk about over a cold beer at a barby. The 1996 C4 with the LT4, cool paint, more refinement, instant classic, no?
so... i dont think there is going to be a 2020 c7 reveal until at least august.
A guy named Norty over in the gas station thread in the c8 section may have hit the nail on the head to a degree, and then i added the icing, and, out of all the theories I have read about so far for the c8 delay, I feel there is the most weight in Norty's explanation.
Originally Posted by NORTYOk, so it appears as though the C8 mules may have a FOBS recognition issue at some gas stations. Based on what I know about gasoline fueling stations (a fair amount, since I was in that business from 1976 to 2008,) I'm thinking this...
Most gas stations are LOADED with RFI. This is due to the underground monitorring systems (aka Veeder-Root,) constantly monitorring and communicating with their respective refineries.
Now, since the C6 generation, the FOBS may utilize the SAME fequency band as a Veeder-Root, it stands to reason that the FOBS may send a corrupted signal to the car. The car's ECM recognizes ONLY the signal (UNcorrupted) from that FOBS. The car may be "arming itself" at these name brand stations, so the car goes into "lockdown."
Move the car 40-50' away from this RFI, and the car operates normally.
There, how's that for a theory?
Before the name calling starts, please note that this very scenario DID happen beginning with the C6 generation cars. (Especially with Z06's!)
so... then i remembered that the car thieves are stealing cars by spoofing key fob signals. So the auto manufacturers have been trying to figure out ways to detect a spoof signal vs a real key fob signal.
Norty pointing out that the gas stations give off similar signals and the c6 has already had trouble in the past with this, made me realize...
Corvette Key Fob Signal + Gas station signals = maybe a signal that the car interprets as an attempted spoof key fob signal...
so its not even that the gas station is overpowering the key fob, and they just need to turn the key fob signal up...
but instead, i think its likely the car goes into potato mode like the 2019 zr1 when tuners try to access its ecu. Its a defense/deterrent system for car theft on the c8 possibly. (so not something that can easily and quickly be fixed i dont believe)
Then the c8 waits for a clean key fob signal, to come back out of potato mode, but perhaps that cant happen if it is in a place where it is being bombarded with other similar signals, so it just stays in potato mode, and needs towed.
And that would explain the 2 c8's not restarting at that gas stations, or its all just coincidence and the cars broke down there for other reasons.
We don't KNOW that this key fob signal stuff is the problem, but assuming it is, I think it is going to be a while before they solve this one, mainly because, they still have more real world testing to perform, as all the different gas station signals and encryptions are not something GM is just going to have access to in their lab... which is likely why its a problem that is presenting itself in the real world, and GM did not catch it at the test track etc.
GM would have to make "exceptions" to certain signals as "acceptable" so the car would tolerate them without going into potato mode.
So... point of all that is, I dont think there is going to be a reveal in April. I think it will be august at soonest. I hope they get the problem solved, but that is just 1 problem we might be right about, there could still be others as well. Maybe its something GM can solve easily... and that would be great news. Any experts in this area want to chime in on repair/replace/R&D time needed for GM to solve things if this were in fact the issue?
The reason this has relevance to this thread is because I believe IF there is a 2020 Limited Edition c7, it will be revealed along side the c8. So I think the 19's c7 production continuing until at least july, is a clear indicator (to me anyway) that the c8 wont be revealed until at least august, maybe later.
April, August, December, next spring 2020. I can wait lol. I'm just dying to see it already. I still have 2 years warranty left so that's 2 years I have left with the car lol.
For those who admire the C7 and a manual, yeah, GM could do a real special 2020 and it would be like shooting fish in a barrel. They could upgrade the interior for one year, play a little with the naturally aspirated engine, do some wild colors in that new paint booth. Stuff that the designers and engineers talk about over a cold beer at a barby. The 1996 C4 with the LT4, cool paint, more refinement, instant classic, no?
Its bad enough everyone has blue ***** with the c8 talk. I think itll be foolish to do a special "final year" edition for a 2020.
Just reveal the c8 already so we can plan on upgrading.
I still think the 2020 c7 has a potential chance... remember, my friend told me they were going to reveal the 2020 C7 in May basically, then he called and told me they were going to make 19's through july.
Well now... if the c8 was delayed from april/May to July reveal, then it would still make sense that GM intends to make a 2020 c7... he would not give me an answer when i asked him about the 2020 c7 this last time.
I think its a coinflip if they make one, and I hope they do... it only makes sense. Keep the money coming in until the first c8 hits a showroom. Dealers will be enticed to order them because 2020 c7 purchases will yield c8 order allocations for that dealer. Same old game, different year. GM needs to make money, if people are ordering 2019's, they will certainly be ordering 2020's if its a limited edition. I pray GM does something more than stickers...
im hoping for the lt2 engine in the c7 and the zo6 version of that motor of course for the 2020's.
I think if GM bumped up the power in 2020 for the z06 and zr1 50hp each, there would be buyers.
I still think the 2020 c7 has a potential chance... remember, my friend told me they were going to reveal the 2020 C7 in May basically, then he called and told me they were going to make 19's through july.
Well now... if the c8 was delayed from april/May to July reveal, then it would still make sense that GM intends to make a 2020 c7... he would not give me an answer when i asked him about the 2020 c7 this last time.
I think its a coinflip if they make one, and I hope they do... it only makes sense. Keep the money coming in until the first c8 hits a showroom. Dealers will be enticed to order them because 2020 c7 purchases will yield c8 order allocations for that dealer. Same old game, different year. GM needs to make money, if people are ordering 2019's, they will certainly be ordering 2020's if its a limited edition. I pray GM does something more than stickers...
im hoping for the lt2 engine in the c7 and the zo6 version of that motor of course for the 2020's.
I think if GM bumped up the power in 2020 for the z06 and zr1 50hp each, there would be buyers.
I think the opposite. With all the hype and talk, and giving everyone blue *****, and since the debut date is already stated, people are already planning for their orders and others are possibly, or most likely, stopping their plan on ever purchasing a C7 anymore and going right to the C8.
I can't see why they would even think about putting the LT2 with or without power adders to the last year C7? Put all that towards the C8's future.
The C7 is done already, let's move on to the latest and greatest.
I could hope for a c8 FE, but even if they make one, i don't think it will be for a year or 2.
Or... GM is getting smart, and using tricky media tactics to make us think its the end... but then announce 1 more year. Doubtful tho, i believe your article. Now i see why my friend called me back and retraced his 2020 c7 claim from before. A shame they changed their minds.
Now do we get a great deal on a new 19 Z06, or do we probably pay the same price for a base C8. I can't see the price being in the stratosphere as its a corvette and suppose to be attainable to the hard working American. It will be more expensive, no doubt. But maybe the base will sit at the price the current Z06 can be had for.
supposedly its announced to start at 62 grand, so a z51 would be in low 70s maybe.
i would not buy another c7, other than the fact that im going to receive a newer one on GM's dime... But if i was in anyone else's shoes, i would just hold tight until the z06 c8 is revealed and on showroom floors selling... that will bring enough used base c8's for sale, and/or also allow one to jump into a new z06 c8, and will be second year so hopefully GM learned their bugs on the first year base c8s. C7's will be steals by then.
so when everyone else was saying c7 was done in april... and i confidently said it would be build for a short run this summer (actually he said that, and i said i believed GM would run even longer, but am only guaranteeing what he told me)....
that was not profound at the time? Sorry he said it would be a 2020 i think at one point they planned to do so, just as they did in europe with the final edition FE's.
in the other thread i was more specific that he said there would be a short 2 or 3 month run past april of the c7 and it would be a 2020.
And that WAS the original plan from GM. People forget about the order codes... those were the final edition c7's i believe.
WHy would GM run a final edition in europe but not america? These last 6 months have been anything but scripted at GM, i think they changed their minds 5 times at least internally.
04-10-2019, 11:33 PM
Ok, so it appears as though the C8 mules may have a FOBS recognition issue at some gas stations. Based on what I know about gasoline fueling stations (a fair amount, since I was in that business from 1976 to 2008,) I'm thinking this...
Good work buddy
