Boba Fett

agree with these ^^

sunsalem

As a GC fan, I can assure there is NOTHING wrong with throwing a Hellcat in a Jeep.

The GS punches WAY above its weight around a track.
It's a Sportscar...not a Muscle Car, not an Exotic.

This brings up a very good point....HOW to measure?

I'm shocked...SHOCKED!!!

Blue666's

I don't think the ZR-1 will beat the Porsche time, mainly because the car Porsche used to set the new record had been optioned-out for this task. It had only one seat, a titanium roll cage, no radio/heater/ac. In other words, it was a 'ringer' to go put down a quick time. Chevy "Could" build a car for setting a quick time, but how much is it worth to do that? I mean, come on, this Porsche is not going to be used on the street, and in the rare instances when it is, the driver is going to be alone, due to one seat only. I don't think Chevy would ever offer a Corvette option to delete every non-essential item just to make it lighter for a track-assault. Just my $.02

\Boost Monkey/

It's not at all a given that a car triple the price will out compete one that is 1/3 it's price... Not sure why you would say otherwise. We have quite a few examples where the GS and Z06 and even the Stingray in Z51 trim have bested cars double and even triple their prices (depending on what metrics are important to you, IE lap times, drag times, figure 8, 0-60, etc.).


Not comparing equally performing cars is asinine.


Now, the cross shopping deal is a whole other debate in itself, but to your point I mostly agree with you that cross shopping of, for example, a Ferrari or Lambo versus a closely competing and likely besting for some models Z06 is just not going to happen. No matter if the Z06 or ZR1 bests everything Ferrari makes except the LaFerrari, F12 TDF and MAYBE the 488GTB. It's just not going to happen.


The only people that even compared a then current Cayman to a Z51 Ray was Top Gear, and it was a blowout. All the others compared it to a 911. While I agree with you on the money in hand part, the point is the two are close to equally performing, and that fact should be made very known to everyone because there absolutely is some people (not many, but some) who will choose a Z51 over a 911 based on the performance per dollar. Now, I also feel like as we move further and further up into the elite, those performance per dollar shoppers diminish more and more once we move into Ferrari and Lambo type territory. But I definitely know for a fact that people cross shopped the Corvette and 911's, because there are many instances of it on P car forums.

Lavender

I won't because I know the answer.

themonk

So then if what you say is true why does it come as a surprise when a 570 GT beats a GS on the track and strip?

It's funny when a car costing 3 times as much as a Corvette beats it in every measurable performance category people say "well it costs more" but when a GS beats a 911 on track people are all "Go GS Go!, yeah, now that's what I'm talking about!"? If you're going to pump the Corvette when it beats something more expensive then you're going to have to take your lumps when it gets beat by something more expensive, don't make any excuses period.

It's just like when Hello Kitty owners say "haha the Fat Cat is quicker than the Corvette in the 1/4" but when a Corvette owner says "let's take them on a road course" Hello Kitty owners say "well it's not a road course car"???? WTF? You can't cherry pick your events, it's either all or nothing or don't compare the two, so just like when comparing the Corvette to higher priced sports cars, don't go beating your chest when it beats it in a category or two but then when it (the Corvette) gets it's *** handed to it by something like a 911 or GT3 RS say "well it costs more" or any other excuse for that matter.

Bottom line, if you're going to play with the big dogs and get a beat down don't go crying to your mamma. That's why there are weight classes in boxing, stay within yours.

Dethsupp0rt

I'm afraid you're too late to make any sense. The first tendency to blame is practically an instinct now . . . south of your border at least.

stevebz06

Your opinion differs from GM: their explanation as to why they test at the Nurburgring is that the track has almost every type of corner imaginable and if they can get a car to work well there there shouldn't be too many problems anywhere else. And of course now there is the competition among the manufacturers for the fastest time. I like it.

As far as how much power contributes to the lap, just find out how fast the GS is compared to the Z06 and that should give a pretty good indication. I can't imagine that power isn't a pretty big factor given that there is one straight that must be something like 40 seconds of WOT.

Rob P

They will want to go out with a bang on the last front engine most powerful Vette so I imagine they will be testing the crap out of it to get it to set a lap record prior to releasing the production. GT2RS is an absolutely amazing car and I am not surprised it took the track record, I tried getting one but the 918 and 911R owners have first dibs on the cars so there is 0 chance. I have put my deposit on the zr1.

Would be nice to have it beside my Dodge demon :-) Fastest strip car and zr1 hopefully fastest track car

Amazing times, cars are becoming absolutely insane!!!!!

\Boost Monkey/

Are you arguing against yourself or something, or are there invisible posts I'm not seeing? LOL

No one said anything about a GS beating EVERY CAR that costs more than it, and I certainly don't say "Go GS go!" Any time it beats anything. .........I don't even own a GS. Nor do I give a **** when it gets bested by another car. If you're referring to the Corvette crowd in general, then ok, reply to the Corvette homers, not me.

Read a few pages back and note to yourself for future use that I was the one arguing FOR the P car, and P cars in general. I make one pro GS post and there you are to scoop it up and run. The best part is, I'm one of the least Corvette homers you will find on this forum.

All that bullshit aside, the fact still remains that your rant doesn't address anything from my post that the GS (and every C7 variant) DOES best cars (not every car...) double and triple their price, which is a great achievement, and why the C7 is the first Corvette I have ever owned. And for the double and triple price cars it does NOT best... I don't know why anyone would care because of the huge price delta... it should be expected that a car 1/3 price doesn't beat it. Why be dissappointed?

pkincy

I see the fun in competing cars w/similar performance against each other. But in the real world most buyers have a budget and they stick to that budget. So number one priority is I am going to spend no more than $xxx,xxx. Given that actual fact, I would love to see tests that match price on a Driver's car contest. The Cayman S costs the same as a Z06. So they should run together. The GT2 RS and the Ford GT and Ferrari 488 GTB and the Ferrari 812 Superfast are in the same price range so should be compared. The GS should run against the standard Cayman or the non S Boxter or the 350R, etc.

sunsalem

These comparisons are hard to do...
Do we measure based on MSRP?
Or do we measure based on similar performance times?
And, if so, which ones?

I don't have an all-encompassing solution that fits every situation.
It is what it is...there is no right or wrong answer IMO.

64drvr

Why can't you guys just enjoy these cars for what they are?