ZR1 vs. C8
11-24-2017, 01:10 AM
#21
I like everything you had to say below, but question just one item: Do you really think the C8 is going to outperform the ZR?
That would assume an even superior handling package, 0-60 times and 1/4 mile traps even greater than the proposed ZR1 capabilities. Which by definition would include a HP/Torque rating similar or greater to the Zr1. I would eat my hat if that happens. (I keep my promises.)
I was under the impression the ZR1 was a one-off "2019" supercar, and that the 2019/2020 C8 will fall back into the "everyman's" Corvette category, especially regarding affordability. Hard to think that, even with my next paragraph musings, that the C8 is going to "outperform the ZR".
But the C8 admittedly should have upgraded ME placement, maybe an AWD variant, DOHC (maybe or not normally aspirated), and maybe some handling tricks based on the ME placement. I don't think additionally that the C8 will be production limited as the ZR1 is supposed to be. And I don't think there will be any lack of bells and whistles in the C8 at all, unless they offer a stripped down naked track only version. (Good luck on resale of a C8 1L* though IMHO.) 1L*, etc, etc vehicles will have a very limited resale market as opposed to trim levels beginning with a 3L*.
One thing us potential ZR1 buyers (of which I am probably one, just waiting on the order guide :-) ) really have going for us is that if the ZR1 is truly going to be limited to 2K - 3K total production, (or even a few thousand more), the ZR1 M7 especially is going to become a real collectors item soon.... assuming the C8 will be all A10, with no Manual option at all.
Didn't know you northern Hosers celebrated Thanksgiving. LOL!
From a Yankee to a Northern Hoser, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours also!
That would assume an even superior handling package, 0-60 times and 1/4 mile traps even greater than the proposed ZR1 capabilities. Which by definition would include a HP/Torque rating similar or greater to the Zr1. I would eat my hat if that happens. (I keep my promises.)
I was under the impression the ZR1 was a one-off "2019" supercar, and that the 2019/2020 C8 will fall back into the "everyman's" Corvette category, especially regarding affordability. Hard to think that, even with my next paragraph musings, that the C8 is going to "outperform the ZR".
But the C8 admittedly should have upgraded ME placement, maybe an AWD variant, DOHC (maybe or not normally aspirated), and maybe some handling tricks based on the ME placement. I don't think additionally that the C8 will be production limited as the ZR1 is supposed to be. And I don't think there will be any lack of bells and whistles in the C8 at all, unless they offer a stripped down naked track only version. (Good luck on resale of a C8 1L* though IMHO.) 1L*, etc, etc vehicles will have a very limited resale market as opposed to trim levels beginning with a 3L*.
One thing us potential ZR1 buyers (of which I am probably one, just waiting on the order guide :-) ) really have going for us is that if the ZR1 is truly going to be limited to 2K - 3K total production, (or even a few thousand more), the ZR1 M7 especially is going to become a real collectors item soon.... assuming the C8 will be all A10, with no Manual option at all.
Didn't know you northern Hosers celebrated Thanksgiving. LOL!
From a Yankee to a Northern Hoser, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours also!
As a lifelong car nut, I remember in the mid 70’s to early-mid 80’s being disappointed with the performance car market. I was a newer driver and each year I’d hope for some increase in domestic car HP but nope. Then, gradually, the performance car market started to bring back HP and some driving excitement.
The quality and level of performance in today’s market is well beyond what I would have dreamed possible 35 years ago.
Look at the recent talk about the Tesla Roadster and it’s projected performance numbers. Not too long ago, it’s claimed quarter mile times would require a racing license...
It is an incredible time for car enthusiasts.
I do expect the C7 ZR1 will fall from the king’s throne to be replaced by a higher performing C8.
In the 70's and 80's, the challenge was to be happy with "not enough".
Today’s challenge is to be happy with what you have ‘cause you know somethin' better is comin’...ahhh, FIRST WORLD problems.
I can hear my dad’s voice...”Enjoy what you have!”
I still need to learn that lesson.
Happy Thanksgiving, folks!
Hope you're enjoying your blessings!
The quality and level of performance in today’s market is well beyond what I would have dreamed possible 35 years ago.
Look at the recent talk about the Tesla Roadster and it’s projected performance numbers. Not too long ago, it’s claimed quarter mile times would require a racing license...
It is an incredible time for car enthusiasts.
I do expect the C7 ZR1 will fall from the king’s throne to be replaced by a higher performing C8.
In the 70's and 80's, the challenge was to be happy with "not enough".
Today’s challenge is to be happy with what you have ‘cause you know somethin' better is comin’...ahhh, FIRST WORLD problems.
I can hear my dad’s voice...”Enjoy what you have!”
I still need to learn that lesson.
Happy Thanksgiving, folks!
Hope you're enjoying your blessings!
Last edited by bikevette; 11-24-2017 at 11:49 AM.
11-24-2017, 06:16 AM
#22
Drifting
I like everything you had to say below, but question just one item: Do you really think the C8 is going to outperform the ZR!? By any measure?
That would assume an even superior handling package, 0-60 times and 1/4 mile traps even greater than the proposed ZR1 capabilities. Which by definition would include a HP/Torque rating similar or greater to the Zr1. I would eat my hat if that happens. (I keep my promises.)
I was under the impression the ZR1 was a one-off "2019" supercar, and that the 2019/2020 C8 will fall back into the "everyman's" Corvette category, especially regarding affordability. Hard to think that, even with my next paragraph musings, that the C8 is going to "outperform the ZR!".
But the C8 admittedly should have upgraded ME placement, maybe an AWD variant, DOHC (maybe or not normally aspirated), and maybe some handling tricks based on the ME placement. I don't think additionally that the C8 will be production limited as the ZR1 is supposed to be. And I don't think there will be any lack of bells and whistles in the C8 at all, unless they offer a stripped down naked track only version. (Good luck on resale of a C8 1L* though IMHO.) 1L*, 1L*, 1L*, etc, etc vehicles will have a very limited resale market as opposed to trim levels beginning with a 3L*.
One thing us potential ZR1 buyers (of which I am probably one, just waiting on the order guide :-) ) really have going for us is that if the ZR1 is truly going to be limited to 2K - 3K total production, (or even a few thousand more), the Z51 M7 especially is going to become a real collectors item soon.... assuming the C8 will be all A10, with no Manual option at all.
Didn't know you northern Hosers celebrated Thanksgiving. LOL!
From a Yankee to a Northern Hoser, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours also!
That would assume an even superior handling package, 0-60 times and 1/4 mile traps even greater than the proposed ZR1 capabilities. Which by definition would include a HP/Torque rating similar or greater to the Zr1. I would eat my hat if that happens. (I keep my promises.)
I was under the impression the ZR1 was a one-off "2019" supercar, and that the 2019/2020 C8 will fall back into the "everyman's" Corvette category, especially regarding affordability. Hard to think that, even with my next paragraph musings, that the C8 is going to "outperform the ZR!".
But the C8 admittedly should have upgraded ME placement, maybe an AWD variant, DOHC (maybe or not normally aspirated), and maybe some handling tricks based on the ME placement. I don't think additionally that the C8 will be production limited as the ZR1 is supposed to be. And I don't think there will be any lack of bells and whistles in the C8 at all, unless they offer a stripped down naked track only version. (Good luck on resale of a C8 1L* though IMHO.) 1L*, 1L*, 1L*, etc, etc vehicles will have a very limited resale market as opposed to trim levels beginning with a 3L*.
One thing us potential ZR1 buyers (of which I am probably one, just waiting on the order guide :-) ) really have going for us is that if the ZR1 is truly going to be limited to 2K - 3K total production, (or even a few thousand more), the Z51 M7 especially is going to become a real collectors item soon.... assuming the C8 will be all A10, with no Manual option at all.
Didn't know you northern Hosers celebrated Thanksgiving. LOL!
From a Yankee to a Northern Hoser, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours also!
Consumer demands and government regulations will be key in bringing a higher performing C8. I expect the consumer will want a better and higher performing C8 variant. If government regulations are not prohibitive, then we should see a new C8 King.
I would expect the C7 ZR1 to depreciate and wouldn’t purchase for price appreciation, if that’s the associated benefit of “collectible.”
11-24-2017, 08:16 AM
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I think that it's way too early to come up with an answer. We have no idea on the specs, the looks, the options, bhp, etc. At least with the ZR1 we have a damn good idea as to what we're getting. We can speculate all we wish about the C8 but in the end we're clueless about it.
Exactly what I was going to post 
11-24-2017, 08:18 AM
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11-24-2017, 08:58 AM
#25
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Speculation supported by evidence! ;)
Mid-Engine!
- DOHC 6.2ltr SDI/dual fuel injection
- eLSD update
- A10
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11-24-2017, 11:57 AM
#26
Team Owner
ok so now ask yourself C7ZR1 or C8 (which is difficult because we have no idea as to what it's all about.)
But imagine that it's going to be FE/RWD, updated interior, more power (at least 500 if not 525), slightly warmed over exterior and a bunch more safety nannies.
But imagine that it's going to be FE/RWD, updated interior, more power (at least 500 if not 525), slightly warmed over exterior and a bunch more safety nannies.
11-24-2017, 12:02 PM
#27
Not ME?
11-24-2017, 12:07 PM
#28
Not ME?
11-24-2017, 01:46 PM
#29
Team Owner
you know, I honestly don't think so. If they went the way of the ME I think it will put the cost out of reach for a lot of the current buyers of the Corvette. Don't forget they are trying to reach a younger generation, a younger generation isn't going to be able to afford a ME car at least not for the 33k + sales numbers they want to reach.
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11-24-2017, 01:54 PM
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I am old school and I would not buy the ME even if I was looking. I just have had to many years with FRONT ENGINE CORVETTES but that's just me.
11-24-2017, 02:43 PM
#31
Your forgetting the C-9 and 10. I mean if we're gonna be silly lets go all in. (I'm stopping there cause I'll be dead before the C-11!!
11-24-2017, 03:10 PM
#32
^^^ That is why this is a "silly" thread.
11-24-2017, 05:26 PM
#33
Team Owner
11-24-2017, 05:34 PM
#34
LOL, nice one.
11-25-2017, 04:41 PM
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Le Mans Master
11-27-2017, 10:48 AM
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11-27-2017, 01:33 PM
#37
Melting Slicks
That is a good way to look at the original question. I was faced with that exact question and chose the C6 ZR1 after initially ordering a '14 Stingray in 2013. I've now owned a C7 Z06 for over a year and can say that I made the right decision in 2013.
Last edited by RobWilson; 11-27-2017 at 01:34 PM.