Randy Pobst is tearing up Willow Springs!
07-14-2018, 03:28 PM
#341
Safety Car
07-14-2018, 04:44 PM
#342
magnetic shocks
"Corvette has always followed germans a generation behind (the suspension, the interior quality, seats etc) and considering the statements GM made about warranty and tuneability of cars going forward, it doesnt suprise me if you told me C8 corvette will have far superior software and hardware combo but this generation doesnt."
you might want to do a little background research on who invented magnetorheologic dampers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_damper
07-14-2018, 07:00 PM
#343
"Corvette has always followed germans a generation behind (the suspension, the interior quality, seats etc) and considering the statements GM made about warranty and tuneability of cars going forward, it doesnt suprise me if you told me C8 corvette will have far superior software and hardware combo but this generation doesnt."
you might want to do a little background research on who invented magnetorheologic dampers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetorheological_damper
What is funny is about a month or two ago everyone here were flaming me when I said there is no way ZR1 is beating gt2rs in nurburgring. Once you realized nurburgring was kaput. You guys also said that domestic tracks would be game over for porsche which now we are seeing is also not the case.
07-14-2018, 07:27 PM
#344
Magnetic dampners is a technology used as part of the suspension of a vehicle. Handling of corvettes with respect to german counterparts have always been a tad behind, less composed, incomplete, you come up with the word. Every generation got better but never had that porsche balance (relative to the generation so 997 gt vs c6 etc). Germans have always done more with less and corvette has always done about 90% of what germans did but with much more (power, tire, more marketing [the amount of nurburgring pictures in z06 unveil or how just in general corvette marketing with tadge coming to a stage like a talk show guy vs porsche’s understated approaches to each of these]).
What is funny is about a month or two ago everyone here were flaming me when I said there is no way ZR1 is beating gt2rs in nurburgring. Once you realized nurburgring was kaput. You guys also said that domestic tracks would be game over for porsche which now we are seeing is also not the case.
i dont recall anyone saying game over for gt2rs at domestic tracks although most argued that the zr1 would be competitive with it. I don't see a reason yet to think otherwise. It was a fair bit slower at Willow yes, however on different days and with what now seems might not even be street tires on the porsche.
the zr1 was faater at car and driver's slalom in a recent comparo with the gt2rs
the lightning lap and other comparo tests are still to come.
07-14-2018, 08:53 PM
#345
Burning Brakes
Btw, I stumbled upon this comparo vid with a Z06 vs. Euro supercars earlier this year. Given the times it bodes well for the ZR1 to be respectably competitive.
Honda NSX: 1.00,3 min
Audi R8 V10 Plus: 0.59,8 min
Porsche 911 GT3: 0.59,1 min
McLaren 720S: 0.58,6 min
Mercedes-AMG GT R: 0.58,4 min
Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 0.58,1 min
Lamborghini Huracan Performante: 0.57,5 min.
Audi R8 V10 Plus: 0.59,8 min
Porsche 911 GT3: 0.59,1 min
McLaren 720S: 0.58,6 min
Mercedes-AMG GT R: 0.58,4 min
Chevrolet Corvette Z06: 0.58,1 min
Lamborghini Huracan Performante: 0.57,5 min.
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07-15-2018, 03:00 AM
#347
Le Mans Master
Ballsony! ;)
Magnetic dampners is a technology used as part of the suspension of a vehicle. Handling of corvettes with respect to german counterparts have always been a tad behind, less composed, incomplete, you come up with the word. Every generation got better but never had that porsche balance (relative to the generation so 997 gt vs c6 etc). Germans have always done more with less and corvette has always done about 90% of what germans did but with much more (power, tire, more marketing [the amount of nurburgring pictures in z06 unveil or how just in general corvette marketing with tadge coming to a stage like a talk show guy vs porsche’s understated approaches to each of these]).
What is funny is about a month or two ago everyone here were flaming me when I said there is no way ZR1 is beating gt2rs in nurburgring. Once you realized nurburgring was kaput. You guys also said that domestic tracks would be game over for porsche which now we are seeing is also not the case.
butt 911 without a cure for the average guy!
Amazing it is!
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07-15-2018, 03:22 AM
#348
Magnetic dampners is a technology used as part of the suspension of a vehicle. Handling of corvettes with respect to german counterparts have always been a tad behind, less composed, incomplete, you come up with the word. Every generation got better but never had that porsche balance (relative to the generation so 997 gt vs c6 etc). Germans have always done more with less and corvette has always done about 90% of what germans did but with much more (power, tire, more marketing [the amount of nurburgring pictures in z06 unveil or how just in general corvette marketing with tadge coming to a stage like a talk show guy vs porsche’s understated approaches to each of these]).
What is funny is about a month or two ago everyone here were flaming me when I said there is no way ZR1 is beating gt2rs in nurburgring. Once you realized nurburgring was kaput. You guys also said that domestic tracks would be game over for porsche which now we are seeing is also not the case.
And it was handling they got beat in. If anything I was shocked at how well they accelerate and put the power down out of corners but I would eat them up under braking and mid corner. Their corner exit advantage simply wasn’t enough to make up for the time lost in entry and mid corner.
I haven’t ran against the 991.2 platform but from the tests I’ve seen the 991.2 GT3 and above should finally be able to pull away.
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07-15-2018, 09:55 AM
#349
On my stock c6z z07, I had no problems chasing down and pulling away from very competent drivers on 991.1 platforms at the California tracks I ran at.
And it was handling they got beat in. If anything I was shocked at how well they accelerate and put the power down out of corners but I would eat them up under braking and mid corner. Their corner exit advantage simply wasn’t enough to make up for the time lost in entry and mid corner.
I haven’t ran against the 991.2 platform but from the tests I’ve seen the 991.2 GT3 and above should finally be able to pull away.
07-15-2018, 02:01 PM
#351
Actually... no you are wrong.
07-15-2018, 02:40 PM
#352
I'm the car in front. 90%+ of the drivers are capable and experienced at a private track day so this isn't some beginner group run down.
Let me know if you can find videos of stock 991.1 GT3's doing sub 1:55's at Thunderhill. Or sub 1:46's at Sonoma Raceway (sears point). Burden of proof is on you.
You can watch my youtube for my old times. I'm not going to spam videos on here needlessly. The Thuderhill and Sonoma times on video about 10 days worth of track experience total. Better drives than me can go faster.
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07-15-2018, 02:41 PM
#353
Le Mans Master
If I recall (and was told) correctly, I don't think you can fully turn off Porsche aids, but they're much more advanced than C7 aids. They "learn" and are better at incorporating/calculating what tires are loaded, slip angle, blah blah blah and etc as well as letting you slide a little. https://www.total911.com/sales-debat...ill-add-value/
Using engineering to build a car that performs better, while fully under the driver's control, is awesome.
However creating a platform that is closer and closer to allowing the driver to do a poss poor job, and lack car handling skills, yet still go very fast, is lame as *** quite frankly.
07-15-2018, 02:55 PM
#354
Drifting
Have fun. Here's me and another Z06 smoking 1 P-Car after another.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyVvgIu7dk
I'm the car in front. 90%+ of the drivers are capable and experienced at a private track day so this isn't some beginner group run down.
Let me know if you can find videos of stock 991.1 GT3's doing sub 1:55's at Thunderhill. Or sub 1:46's at Sonoma Raceway (sears point). Burden of proof is on you.
You can watch my youtube for my old times. I'm not going to spam videos on here needlessly. The Thuderhill and Sonoma times on video about 10 days worth of track experience total. Better drives than me can go faster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyVvgIu7dk
I'm the car in front. 90%+ of the drivers are capable and experienced at a private track day so this isn't some beginner group run down.
Let me know if you can find videos of stock 991.1 GT3's doing sub 1:55's at Thunderhill. Or sub 1:46's at Sonoma Raceway (sears point). Burden of proof is on you.
You can watch my youtube for my old times. I'm not going to spam videos on here needlessly. The Thuderhill and Sonoma times on video about 10 days worth of track experience total. Better drives than me can go faster.
Best Regards,
Dave
07-15-2018, 03:17 PM
#355
Nice driving Robert. I don't have a dog in this fight, but if you're looking for 991.1 times at Thunderhill, looking at the 2017 NASA Nationals... Jason Begalke (SuperFast Racing) ran a TT2 991.1 GT3 (not an RS) and went 1:53 flat. It was his first time at the track. (after he won TT2 they moved him to TTU due to not being able to dyno the car without the PIWIS cable). Car was stock 991.1 GT3 with Exhaust, RS rear wing and 18" Hoosier's.
Best Regards,
Dave
Best Regards,
Dave
For Nasa nationals, do they run the bypass for T5 as in the video above or the over the top as in the video below? The bypass is about 1-1.5 seconds faster depending on the car. \
That's a great time on the GT3 but to be fair, hoosiers and a pro change the game a bit I'd say. I'd also expect a proper race weekend to rubber in the track a bit. As any driver, I entitled to my excuses damnit!
Z06 Examples. Bill Brinkopp, local and national fast guy did 52.5's on a C6Z with just suspension and used hoosiers. I think Andrei on here put some fliers in also just on Nitto NT-01's. Then you have guys newer to the racing scene like Rich on here who are smoking fast also and can run those times.
Someone like Bill, Jason (insert other fast guys here) can run both cars faster than what I've set but let's see experienced track guys run those times or faster in a GT3.
The only reason I bring this is up in detail is this illusion that has existed where the GT3's are pure magic and untouchable and when that really isn't the case at all. If I was running 15+ days a year, I'd expect a GT3 to hold up much better than my C6Z over the season/years due to it's better build quality but outright pace? There's some hyperbole that gets thrown around too often due to the disproportionate amount of fast guys with GT3's at trackdays compared to a lot of Vette owners who either aren't pushing their cars or if they do, they end up just going racing with them.
07-15-2018, 03:28 PM
#356
Drifting
Thanks. I have tons to learn but just no time to go out there anymore so I'm going the sim racing route for a bit while the kids grow up for a few years.
For Nasa nationals, do they run the bypass for T5 as in the video above or the over the top as in the video below? The bypass is about 1-1.5 seconds faster depending on the car. \
That's a great time on the GT3 but to be fair, hoosiers and a pro change the game a bit I'd say. I'd also expect a proper race weekend to rubber in the track a bit. As any driver, I entitled to my excuses damnit!
Z06 Examples. Bill Brinkopp, local and national fast guy did 52.5's on a C6Z with just suspension and used hoosiers. I think Andrei on here put some fliers in also just on Nitto NT-01's. Then you have guys newer to the racing scene like Rich on here who are smoking fast also and can run those times.
Someone like Bill, Jason (insert other fast guys here) can run both cars faster than what I've set but let's see experienced track guys run those times or faster in a GT3.
The only reason I bring this is up in detail is this illusion that has existed where the GT3's are pure magic and untouchable and when that really isn't the case at all. If I was running 15+ days a year, I'd expect a GT3 to hold up much better than my C6Z over the season/years due to it's better build quality but outright pace? There's some hyperbole that gets thrown around too often due to the disproportionate amount of fast guys with GT3's at trackdays compared to a lot of Vette owners who either aren't pushing their cars or if they do, they end up just going racing with them.
For Nasa nationals, do they run the bypass for T5 as in the video above or the over the top as in the video below? The bypass is about 1-1.5 seconds faster depending on the car. \
That's a great time on the GT3 but to be fair, hoosiers and a pro change the game a bit I'd say. I'd also expect a proper race weekend to rubber in the track a bit. As any driver, I entitled to my excuses damnit!
Z06 Examples. Bill Brinkopp, local and national fast guy did 52.5's on a C6Z with just suspension and used hoosiers. I think Andrei on here put some fliers in also just on Nitto NT-01's. Then you have guys newer to the racing scene like Rich on here who are smoking fast also and can run those times.
Someone like Bill, Jason (insert other fast guys here) can run both cars faster than what I've set but let's see experienced track guys run those times or faster in a GT3.
The only reason I bring this is up in detail is this illusion that has existed where the GT3's are pure magic and untouchable and when that really isn't the case at all. If I was running 15+ days a year, I'd expect a GT3 to hold up much better than my C6Z over the season/years due to it's better build quality but outright pace? There's some hyperbole that gets thrown around too often due to the disproportionate amount of fast guys with GT3's at trackdays compared to a lot of Vette owners who either aren't pushing their cars or if they do, they end up just going racing with them.
Best Regards,
Dave
07-15-2018, 03:39 PM
#358
07-15-2018, 04:18 PM
#359
Instructor
I ran the 25 Hours at Thunderhill one year, and I think we also used that configuration. I also did one BMW Club event where they combined the tracks (I seem to recall it was over 5 miles. Super long). What an awesome venue!
07-15-2018, 04:39 PM
#360
Drifting
I haven't ran the combined 5 mile configuration yet, looks like a blast.
Best Regards,
Dave
Last edited by Dave Schotz; 07-15-2018 at 04:39 PM.