Is March the end of the C7 ZR1?
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There are also people who have "sources" that contradict you. The point is, neither you nor anyone else knows so making statements like "there will be no 2020 ZR1" is complete speculation based on no facts. It could end up being true but at this time we don't know.
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If we should not speculate, 90% of this forum posts along with probably 50% of entire world media need to be ignored.
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DebRedZR1 (10-21-2018)
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IMO GM builds 2019 Corvettes like crazy between now and the C8 retool next year. Then make only C8’s. There will be enough C7’s available for those that prefer the FE design well into the 2019 calandar year and probably into 2020. This is a two edge sword: The C8 will be the latest and greatest technology for the C7 to compete with on one hand; on the other, the 2019 could be the last FE Corvette ever made since the brand introduced in 1953. There will be a decent number of people who want one the last of that heritage. There is a difference in having ‘16, ‘17 and ‘18 holdovers when everyone knew there would be a ‘19 C7 and knowing the ‘19 C7 would be the last of an era.
Last edited by Rinaldo Catria; 10-21-2018 at 11:48 AM.
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IMO GM builds 2019 Corvettes like crazy between now and the C8 retool next year. Then make only C8’s. There will be enough C7’s available for those that prefer the FE design well into the 2019 calandar year and probably into 2020. This is a two edge sword: The C8 will be the latest and greatest technology for the C7 to compete with on one hand; on the other, the 2019 could be the last FE Corvette ever made since the brand introduced in 1953. There will be a decent number of people who want one the last of that heritage. There is a difference in having ‘16, ‘17 and ‘18 holdovers when everyone knew there would be a ‘19 C7 and knowing the ‘19 C7 would be the last of an era.
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DebRedZR1 (10-26-2018)
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C8 is a completely different car. Look at those pictures, it has a massive wheelbase and size, too wide, sounds absolutely atrocious, no manual transmission. Its the kind of car you make to attract buyers from BMWs 4 class, base 911, ferrari, mclaren, etc but NOT people like me who are more in the porsche GT camp, who prefer a raw, hardcore, no sound deadening/bump ride/manual transmission/big wing car. So what they will do is they will push people like me out of the brand but will make multiples of that back by getting all kinds of other buyers simply because they wanted an exotic car and didnt want an american car with big v8 in the front.
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I'm not looking for a discount on the MSRP (won't turn it down if that's the case), more concerned about availability. Right now availability is limited to non-popular option configuration. Taking an offered 'allocation' still presents an element of uncertainty.
I recall a 2000/year (or thereabout) target mentioned before, but never that number for the entire C7 ZR1 model (unlike the Ford GT).
Last edited by range96; 10-21-2018 at 01:07 PM.
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I don’t think the C8 will be bigger. It may be optical with the cab moved forward. If anything, it should drive “smaller”. The handling advantage of weight concentration in the center of the car cant be disputed, but how discernible that is at street speeds is up for arguement. Its hard to make an arguement in favor of the ME design from a daily driver practicality point of view. IMO, it will be surprise if a pushrod LT engine is not offerred in early C8’s, but I dont think its a lock. The cars testing at Nürburgring sound like turbos to me. GM’s patent application of the “fly by wire” electric clutch assembly gives serious hope for a manual trans C8 option.
Porsche does not look disproportionate because its rear engine does it?
Anyways, I dont need to see the press release to figure out 90% certainty some basics about the car. It is built to appeal to certain market segment. I am not in that market segment. C7 is I think as big and as heavy as I can accept a pure sports car. Even Z06 is massive next to a gt3. It has a wheelbase 9 full inches longer than a porsche. This C8 is even even worse in terms of length. They do that for a reason because they want the car to ride comfortably, they want also people who arent necessarily slim to fit in it. C8 is a luxurious grand tourer. It will go fast, handle fine, but its not going to give you the “wearing a sock like” experience you get driving a smaller wheelbase Porsche.
I am getting a ZR1 so stop calling me names. I take the car for what it is and I am not an ignorant like others. I think its still a great car but its at the limit of what a sports car should be pure physical dimensions wise. I know all about the “feels like a smaller car” argument. I will just counter that with suggestion of driving a car with much smaller wheelbase (96” to be exact). It feels like a toy car to be honest tossing around the corners.
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Have you seen the nurburgring videos of C8? Its pretty massive for a rear engine car (comparing to 911 or mclaren)? Its much more ferrari dimension wise than 911. It clearly has a long wheelbase (again look at the videos).
Porsche does not look disproportionate because its rear engine does it?
Anyways, I dont need to see the press release to figure out 90% certainty some basics about the car. It is built to appeal to certain market segment. I am not in that market segment. C7 is I think as big and as heavy as I can accept a pure sports car. Even Z06 is massive next to a gt3. It has a wheelbase 9 full inches longer than a porsche. This C8 is even even worse in terms of length. They do that for a reason because they want the car to ride comfortably, they want also people who arent necessarily slim to fit in it. C8 is a luxurious grand tourer. It will go fast, handle fine, but its not going to give you the “wearing a sock like” experience you get driving a smaller wheelbase Porsche.
I am getting a ZR1 so stop calling me names. I take the car for what it is and I am not an ignorant like others. I think its still a great car but its at the limit of what a sports car should be pure physical dimensions wise. I know all about the “feels like a smaller car” argument. I will just counter that with suggestion of driving a car with much smaller wheelbase (96” to be exact). It feels like a toy car to be honest tossing around the corners.
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Sightseeing rides and track driving is like night and day. I enjoy both kinds, but I cannot imagine being able to enjoy the scenery while focusing hard at the edge of adhesion. I can barely see the corner workers as I'm focusing on the turn in point, apex, rpm, track out. That's why they put corner workers 'in your line of sight'. Of course, after a few hundred laps on the same track you could probably do a lap with your eyes closed. I did drive on the autobahn, but don't remember too much about the countryside. You need to keep an eye on the road/traffic more so nowadays as quite a few cars pull out to the fast lane unexpectedly, even in Germany.
Right now, my lap target is March 31. Or early January when 2020 model year plans are revealed by GM.
Right now, my lap target is March 31. Or early January when 2020 model year plans are revealed by GM.
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Sightseeing rides and track driving is like night and day. I enjoy both kinds, but I cannot imagine being able to enjoy the scenery while focusing hard at the edge of adhesion. I can barely see the corner workers as I'm focusing on the turn in point, apex, rpm, track out. That's why they put corner workers 'in your line of sight'. Of course, after a few hundred laps on the same track you could probably do a lap with your eyes closed. I did drive on the autobahn, but don't remember too much about the countryside. You need to keep an eye on the road/traffic more so nowadays as quite a few cars pull out to the fast lane unexpectedly, even in Germany.
Right now, my lap target is March 31. Or early January when 2020 model year plans are revealed by GM.
Right now, my lap target is March 31. Or early January when 2020 model year plans are revealed by GM.
Last edited by Rinaldo Catria; 10-26-2018 at 09:53 AM.
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What Porsche does is put a pro driver out in front of a group of 5 cars. Walkie talkie communication to the passenger in each car. Getting continual radio alerts of any oncoming traffic or hazards through the twisty mountain roads. When you hit France the speeds come down dranatically. Observe all speed limits in the little towns in both counties and that’s where the site seeing happens. If GM did something like this in the US, they’d get shut down in a heartbeat. (Pardon the pun). We were able to use both sides of the road in the turns and it was a blast sliding the 911’s around in them. I believe the deductible was $2500 for damage (they said its usualy rim damage) but no one in the group had to pay it. There was one cracked windshield Porsche didn’t charge the customer for. Our driving pro said the program isn’t designed to be a profit center, rather their data shows many participants buy Porsches afterwards. On the way back we did one wide open stretch on the Autobahn... I was told by the pro we hit 160... I sure as hell wasnt watching the speedo. It seemed a lot faster to me than going 160 at Road America. (according to my GPS)
HTXSkydiver is planning on a Continental trip with his ZR1, but he's taking a southern route (more scenic than performance driving).
Back to topic, Criswell Chevrolet doesn't have any allocation, but the Sales Manager did NOT rule out a 2020 ZR1 model.
Last edited by range96; 10-26-2018 at 05:48 PM.
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I didn't know about the Porsche program. I drove my own car there but it has a governor to limit speed to 155mph. I understand the European models did not have the same limit and the car tops out around 180. It was an early AMG car. I only drove it fast on highways and once traffic built up it seemed like snail pace doing 90-100.
HTXSkydiver is planning on a Continental trip with his ZR1, but he's taking a southern route (more scenic than performance driving).
Back to topic, Criswell Chevrolet doesn't have any allocation, but the Sales Manager did NOT rule out a 2020 ZR1 model.
HTXSkydiver is planning on a Continental trip with his ZR1, but he's taking a southern route (more scenic than performance driving).
Back to topic, Criswell Chevrolet doesn't have any allocation, but the Sales Manager did NOT rule out a 2020 ZR1 model.
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Autobahn: It didn’t get scary until we passed a long line of semi trucks doing 100kph and there was a guard rail about 10 ft to my left as a divider... I thought I was driving into a funnel... it was a weird sensation. I just fixated on the tailights of the Porsche 4 car lengths ahead of me with my left foot hovering over the brake.. wouldn’t care to do that part again actually. Haha
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It’s not unheard of though. I have a 2018 Jeep Wrangler JL generation which replaced the JK but Jeep made 2018 JK and JL generation Wranglers at the same time for the 2018 model year.