The ZR1 is a flop
#41
I'm just not a fanboy. I think the GS is a great track car. But right now I think the ZL1 1LE is GM's best overall track car. the FI C7's have issues and aren't worth the money.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
#42
Burning Brakes
I agree with foosh and the other guy that said the zr1 is not fundamentally different than a zo6 or gs minus the power plant. It is 3700lbs or whatever, obviously it is not the most agile choice.
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I'm speaking of the GS, Z06, ZR1 to each other not to other cars. Even with ZTK versus Level 3 Z06 versus Level 2 GS (different aero) each car has so much more HP that until you get above 150 MPH the drag doesn't realistically effect acceleration. Potentially will a non-ZTK, versus Level 1 Z06 and GS's go faster than their aero counter parts? Sure on straights, but the losses in corners makes it a wash for lap times. The higher HP engines will produce faster lap times on tracks with longer striaghts where they can streach their legs. Remember I'm speaking only of comparing C7 Corvettes to other C7 Corvettes.
#44
I'm speaking of the GS, Z06, ZR1 to each other not to other cars. Even with ZTK versus Level 3 Z06 versus Level 2 GS (different aero) each car has so much more HP that until you get above 150 MPH the drag doesn't realistically effect acceleration. Potentially will a non-ZTK, versus Level 1 Z06 and GS's go faster than their aero counter parts? Sure on straights, but the losses in corners makes it a wash for lap times. The higher HP engines will produce faster lap times on tracks with longer striaghts where they can streach their legs. Remember I'm speaking only of comparing C7 Corvettes to other C7 Corvettes.
I want a c7 GS with a LS7. that would be perfect and balanced.
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#46
Burning Brakes
Am I the only one that was not impressed by the c6 zr1 as well? supercharged for the first time... yay
Where as the c6 zo6 had an aluminum frame for the first time. (the gs and previous had steel). and a specially developed, naturally aspirated, high revving, 7L.
Where is our fixed roof option for the c7 damn it.
Chuck, can you post that picture of the c7 prototype with red trim and a roll cage? I am hoping that is a 500hp GS we all want. Maybe a c7.2?
Where as the c6 zo6 had an aluminum frame for the first time. (the gs and previous had steel). and a specially developed, naturally aspirated, high revving, 7L.
Where is our fixed roof option for the c7 damn it.
Chuck, can you post that picture of the c7 prototype with red trim and a roll cage? I am hoping that is a 500hp GS we all want. Maybe a c7.2?
#47
I do live in the real world. There was a gt2rs last time I went to Thunderhill west. A tight, technical, 2nd/3rd gear track. It was murdering the tight technical course. Meanwhile, a zo6 spun out right infront of me. Power is great, but there is only so much the chasis can handle. I bet a 911.2 gt3rs would eat the zr1 on that track. the gt2rs seems to have no Achilles heel. It loves the tight technical stuff.
I agree with foosh and the other guy that said the zr1 is not fundamentally different than a zo6 or gs minus the power plant. It is 3700lbs or whatever, obviously it is not the most agile choice.
I agree with foosh and the other guy that said the zr1 is not fundamentally different than a zo6 or gs minus the power plant. It is 3700lbs or whatever, obviously it is not the most agile choice.
#48
Honestly even though it gives up 40-ish HP, torque is equivalent. I think the LT1 is the much better engine.
Now maybe I'm a little biased because my LS7 self-destructed at 20K miles.
Now maybe I'm a little biased because my LS7 self-destructed at 20K miles.
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#49
I'm just not a fanboy. I think the GS is a great track car. But right now I think the ZL1 1LE is GM's best overall track car. the FI C7's have issues and aren't worth the money.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
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#51
Yah. they have the heads issue - but they're also easier to mod than the LT1. Either way - an NA GS with 550 HP's would be terrific. probably the limit of what this car can handle HP-wise and still NA so no heat issues or added weight.
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#54
On this we agree. The current car has adequate power, and just a little more wouldn't hurt. Anything else starts becoming overkill.
#55
That makes a lot of sense. No...actually it doesn't.
Ive driven a .1 GT3 around a track and that car will have its hands full with a C7 GS w/ Z07. Remember then 2016 LL issue by C&D where a .1 GT3 RS was only 0.1 faster than a C7 GS Z07 because it gained that one tenth on the final straight away? Looks to me like all the hooking under power that a Corvette could only dream of couldnt help it one bit. I still stand by my statement that this car is a speed bump at best for a C7Z/ZR1.
#56
Melting Slicks
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The whole premise of the OP's question has me wondering... is the C7 ZR-1 is supposed to be a supercar? Certainly not a hypercar.
Another way to phrase my question is: can we consider the C7 Stingray and GS are sports cars, the C7 Z06 flirting with supercar, and the C7 ZR-1 actually a supercar? Or something like this? No?
I'm sure people will rip "call it what you want" or "why put a label on it" but the words sports car and supercar exist, and they don't mean the same thing.
Another way to phrase my question is: can we consider the C7 Stingray and GS are sports cars, the C7 Z06 flirting with supercar, and the C7 ZR-1 actually a supercar? Or something like this? No?
I'm sure people will rip "call it what you want" or "why put a label on it" but the words sports car and supercar exist, and they don't mean the same thing.
#58
Yeah, it's a real piece of garbage.
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#59
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Yeah, it's a real piece of garbage.
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You flatter yourself too much and used the word "flop" simply to get a rise out of people, knowing full-well what you were doing. You were totally transparent and not fooling anyone. The word "flop" is usually associated with a product that does not sell well, or a movie that does not make a profit at the box office. For you to use it to denote that the ZR1 is a tenth of a second slower under certain controlled conditions that favor your interpretation is an inept attempt to mislead. Is the ZR1 selling well? Has it not received rave reviews in the automotive press? If so, the joke is on you. Frankly, your credibility suffers when you misuse the language. You don't have to be a fanboi to recognize an obvious troll.
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