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Old 09-21-2018, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh
His point was this sounds a lot like a Mustang forum.
I'm just not a fanboy. I think the GS is a great track car. But right now I think the ZL1 1LE is GM's best overall track car. the FI C7's have issues and aren't worth the money.

I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
Old 09-21-2018, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Lavender
You should probably start living in the real world. 991.2 GT3/RS are speed breaks for a C7Z. ZR1 will eat them alive and spit them out lmao.
I do live in the real world. There was a gt2rs last time I went to Thunderhill west. A tight, technical, 2nd/3rd gear track. It was murdering the tight technical course. Meanwhile, a zo6 spun out right infront of me. Power is great, but there is only so much the chasis can handle. I bet a 911.2 gt3rs would eat the zr1 on that track. the gt2rs seems to have no Achilles heel. It loves the tight technical stuff.

I agree with foosh and the other guy that said the zr1 is not fundamentally different than a zo6 or gs minus the power plant. It is 3700lbs or whatever, obviously it is not the most agile choice.
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Originally Posted by IRMB
Except it doesn't. It gets beat in the straights, too. low-tech transmission and too much drag likely at fault.
I'm speaking of the GS, Z06, ZR1 to each other not to other cars. Even with ZTK versus Level 3 Z06 versus Level 2 GS (different aero) each car has so much more HP that until you get above 150 MPH the drag doesn't realistically effect acceleration. Potentially will a non-ZTK, versus Level 1 Z06 and GS's go faster than their aero counter parts? Sure on straights, but the losses in corners makes it a wash for lap times. The higher HP engines will produce faster lap times on tracks with longer striaghts where they can streach their legs. Remember I'm speaking only of comparing C7 Corvettes to other C7 Corvettes.
Old 09-21-2018, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1 Z51
I'm speaking of the GS, Z06, ZR1 to each other not to other cars. Even with ZTK versus Level 3 Z06 versus Level 2 GS (different aero) each car has so much more HP that until you get above 150 MPH the drag doesn't realistically effect acceleration. Potentially will a non-ZTK, versus Level 1 Z06 and GS's go faster than their aero counter parts? Sure on straights, but the losses in corners makes it a wash for lap times. The higher HP engines will produce faster lap times on tracks with longer striaghts where they can streach their legs. Remember I'm speaking only of comparing C7 Corvettes to other C7 Corvettes.
Got it.

I want a c7 GS with a LS7. that would be perfect and balanced.
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Originally Posted by subieworx
Guys, he's just trying to justify his new reality of not having the fastest production Corvette any longer. He'll get over it.
Sounds like hellcat owners.
Old 09-21-2018, 02:13 PM
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Am I the only one that was not impressed by the c6 zr1 as well? supercharged for the first time... yay

Where as the c6 zo6 had an aluminum frame for the first time. (the gs and previous had steel). and a specially developed, naturally aspirated, high revving, 7L.

Where is our fixed roof option for the c7 damn it.

Chuck, can you post that picture of the c7 prototype with red trim and a roll cage? I am hoping that is a 500hp GS we all want. Maybe a c7.2?
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Originally Posted by theplatinumog
I do live in the real world. There was a gt2rs last time I went to Thunderhill west. A tight, technical, 2nd/3rd gear track. It was murdering the tight technical course. Meanwhile, a zo6 spun out right infront of me. Power is great, but there is only so much the chasis can handle. I bet a 911.2 gt3rs would eat the zr1 on that track. the gt2rs seems to have no Achilles heel. It loves the tight technical stuff.

I agree with foosh and the other guy that said the zr1 is not fundamentally different than a zo6 or gs minus the power plant. It is 3700lbs or whatever, obviously it is not the most agile choice.
Ive seen a GT3 RS spin out as well. I guess thats all the chassis could handle? Please....wake up.
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Originally Posted by IRMB
Got it.

I want a c7 GS with a LS7. that would be perfect and balanced.
Honestly even though it gives up 40-ish HP, torque is equivalent. I think the LT1 is the much better engine.

Now maybe I'm a little biased because my LS7 self-destructed at 20K miles.

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Originally Posted by IRMB
I'm just not a fanboy. I think the GS is a great track car. But right now I think the ZL1 1LE is GM's best overall track car. the FI C7's have issues and aren't worth the money.

I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
Says the Rustang owner. How cool is that!
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Originally Posted by Lavender
Says the Rustang owner. How cool is that!
um. who owns a rustang? I own a GS and that's it.

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Originally Posted by Foosh
Honestly even though it gives up 40-ish HP, torque is equivalent. I think the LT1 is the much better engine.

Now maybe I'm a little biased because my LS7 self-destructed at 20K miles.
Yah. they have the heads issue - but they're also easier to mod than the LT1. Either way - an NA GS with 550 HP's would be terrific. probably the limit of what this car can handle HP-wise and still NA so no heat issues or added weight.
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Originally Posted by IRMB
um. who owns a rustang? I own a GS and that's it.
Oww... My apologies. This whole thread just made sense for me. Carry on!
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Originally Posted by Lavender
Ive seen a GT3 RS spin out as well. I guess thats all the chassis could handle? Please....wake up.
have you driven a 911 on track? I drove a 911.1 gt3 and it hooks up under power in a way a Corvette could only dream of, you wake up.
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Originally Posted by IRMB
Yah. they have the heads issue - but they're also easier to mod than the LT1. Either way - an NA GS with 550 HP's would be terrific. probably the limit of what this car can handle HP-wise and still NA so no heat issues or added weight.
On this we agree. The current car has adequate power, and just a little more wouldn't hurt. Anything else starts becoming overkill.
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Originally Posted by theplatinumog
have you driven a 911 on track? I drove a 911.1 gt3 and it hooks up under power in a way a Corvette could only dream of, you wake up.
So you went from someone spinning a C7Z = more hp than the chassis can handle to a GT3 that hooks under power in a way a Corvette could only dream of.

That makes a lot of sense. No...actually it doesn't.

Ive driven a .1 GT3 around a track and that car will have its hands full with a C7 GS w/ Z07. Remember then 2016 LL issue by C&D where a .1 GT3 RS was only 0.1 faster than a C7 GS Z07 because it gained that one tenth on the final straight away? Looks to me like all the hooking under power that a Corvette could only dream of couldnt help it one bit. I still stand by my statement that this car is a speed bump at best for a C7Z/ZR1.

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Me? The color of brake dust?
Yes, nice job using the brakes to paint your wheels.
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The whole premise of the OP's question has me wondering... is the C7 ZR-1 is supposed to be a supercar? Certainly not a hypercar.
Another way to phrase my question is: can we consider the C7 Stingray and GS are sports cars, the C7 Z06 flirting with supercar, and the C7 ZR-1 actually a supercar? Or something like this? No?
I'm sure people will rip "call it what you want" or "why put a label on it" but the words sports car and supercar exist, and they don't mean the same thing.

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Old 09-21-2018, 05:14 PM
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Yeah, it's a real piece of garbage.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Poor-sha
Yeah, it's a real piece of garbage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKQxKZWZFFE
Looks like pretty even match up with a car that cost $180k more.... Great driving, enjoyed the video!
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Originally Posted by IRMB
I knew posting here the fanbois would be butthurt. Cause that's what fanbois do. Totally expected.
You flatter yourself too much and used the word "flop" simply to get a rise out of people, knowing full-well what you were doing. You were totally transparent and not fooling anyone. The word "flop" is usually associated with a product that does not sell well, or a movie that does not make a profit at the box office. For you to use it to denote that the ZR1 is a tenth of a second slower under certain controlled conditions that favor your interpretation is an inept attempt to mislead. Is the ZR1 selling well? Has it not received rave reviews in the automotive press? If so, the joke is on you. Frankly, your credibility suffers when you misuse the language. You don't have to be a fanboi to recognize an obvious troll.

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