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Baseless you say? Car & Driver begs to differ:
"The C8 [Z51] stopped from 70 mph in 149 feet and hung on to the skidpad at 1.03 g with quite a bit more understeer than we were expecting, considering our experiences on the road. Neither of those chassis metrics are improvements over the C7, which stopped in 139 feet and circled the skidpad at 1.06 g."
It is well known that the unbalanced and heavier C8 cannot corner or brake better than a C7 but the Z06 widebody can surpass them both. With the LT2 engine, the GS would be faster off the line than any of them with its higher torque on the low end (Z06), wider tires (C8) and better traction (C7).
The SR if setup differently would match or exceed the C7.
The engineers are on record saying they went conservative given the different dynamics of mid-engine vs front engine. So they didn't chase max braking for the shortest stopping distance, but went predictable and manageable for people not used to mid-engine driving dynamics. Same as to why it understeers. Everything they could tune out if they desired under the current setup.
The wide body setup of the Z06 would not inherently improve upon it. It would simply be due to the tuning of the chassis eliminates the conservative tuning of the SR. Basically what you would want is a C8 SR Z51+. Same car as the SR, but the conservative margins tuned out.
Hate to say it as I want to love the Eray, but it's been dead even with the Z06 to 60mph and through the 1/4 in testing with the Z06 trapping 3mph faster in the 1/4 mile.
GM continues to claim differently, stating that the ERay is the quickest Vette ever produced. Will have to wait until it is in the hands of owners and not some magazine article test, until then I will take GM's word for it....even if it is just marketing for now.
Well what THIS customer wants is for GM to catch up on widebody production so that wait times get below 4 months....and for people to stop pining for a never-gonna-happen GS.
Horrible. They already can't keep up with widebody production. Acting like they're going to squeeze another 30 hp out of the SR (25 from the z51) and somehow it will be faster with the larger contact area? No.
Every single supposition about "the GS would be faster" is a myth. Predicated on the idea that a GS would be running Cup 2's...and every other model wouldn't--thereby giving the GS some fairytale advantage. And every head's up race I've seen--the ER has never had Cup 2's, nor the Z51. So if you really were intent on testing the theory, go buy some cup 2, 345's for out back (don't even need the 275's up front necessarily) and go run it. Because that's about 99% of any "benefit" a hypothetical GS would have--without the weight of widebody, heavier brakes, etc.
And even then--I don't think you're gonna be any faster.
They are basing on the fact that the C7GS was nice variant that offered a NA motor in a Z06 for less money. I believe some of the track times show that the C7GS was faster around the track then the C8 Stingray Z51, forgot whether it was at Laguna Seca or the Ring. But as we both have stated and Jim Mero stated over 2 years ago now, the majority of the improvements in track is based on the change in tire technology. The Pilot Super Sports were surpassed by the 4S, and neither are close to the Pilot Cup 2R on the track.
But as we both have stated and Jim Mero stated over 2 years ago now, the majority of the improvements in track is based on the change in tire technology. The Pilot Super Sports were surpassed by the 4S, and neither are close to the Pilot Cup 2R on the track.
The C8GS could accomodate Cup 2Rs while the Z51 cannot. GS would be much more streetable than Z06, but still competitive on the track, for $24K less money.
GM continues to claim differently, stating that the ERay is the quickest Vette ever produced. Will have to wait until it is in the hands of owners and not some magazine article test, until then I will take GM's word for it....even if it is just marketing for now.
I want to be wrong, much easier to get an Eray instead of waiting four years for a Z06 allocation right now. Much more livable as a daily as well. Excited to see it raced in the real world. I'd bet it's much faster than the Z06 to 30mph, about the same to 60, and the Z06 flies past it above 120ish. It's got the AWD launching capability but power to weight working against it. 3900lbs/655 versus 3600lbs/670.
The LT2 is not faster off the line than the LT6. The torque curve is a red-herring, because you can launch an LT6 in the RPM band for power; completely negating the LT2's advantage down low.
And I have no idea why anyone would suggest why a Z51 couldn't "accommodate" Cup 2's.
p.s.
A GS would be cheaper than a Z and trackable. It would also be slower than an SR--for numerous reasons already listed.
The LT2 is not faster off the line than the LT6. The torque curve is a red-herring, because you can launch an LT6 in the RPM band for power; completely negating the LT2's advantage down low.
And I have no idea why anyone would suggest why a Z51 couldn't "accommodate" Cup 2's.
p.s.
A GS would be cheaper than a Z and trackable. It would also be slower than an SR--for numerous reasons already listed.
The Stingray is faster off the line than the Z06. Lots of YouTube videos showing it beats the Z06 to 30mph and then very quickly gets reeled in and blown away as the Z06 makes power.
A 2.45.9 isn't a bad time, it puts the E-Ray near some good company. I'd also be interested to see the times on more competitive tires, and also with/without charge+. The battery isn't sized for hard track use but if I were buying one, this wouldn't bother me as I believe it will be a load of fun on the street.
I paid $60K and change for my '17 GS at MM back in '16. Now 7 years later, Eray is twice as much money for ~1 second faster on the track. With the same tires, the GS would be faster. The only more absurd cars are the 911 GT3 and GT3RS which are "track" cars that are only one tenth (0.1) second faster on the track than the GS.
So why exactly won't Corvette build a C8 GS that thousands of us would buy in a heartbeat?
The Stingray is faster off the line than the Z06. Lots of YouTube videos showing it beats the Z06 to 30mph and then very quickly gets reeled in and blown away as the Z06 makes power.
It's not left at the start. Not even close. I think most of these people making vids don't understand that launch control is WAY more important for the Z than the SR...and they aren't using it.
It would be interesting to see a Z51 with Cup 2's against a Cup 2 Z06....but I still don't think it would do much to separate the launch.
I paid $60K and change for my '17 GS at MM back in '16. Now 7 years later, Eray is twice as much money for ~1 second faster on the track. With the same tires, the GS would be faster. The only more absurd cars are the 911 GT3 and GT3RS which are "track" cars that are only one tenth (0.1) second faster on the track than the GS.
So why exactly won't Corvette build a C8 GS that thousands of us would buy in a heartbeat?
The base model C7GS has the same tires as the E-Ray the Z07 package Grand Sport had Cup2s like the Z07 which are stickier, so it’s more than a second difference on equal tires in fairness.
A 2.45.9 isn't a bad time, it puts the E-Ray near some good company. I'd also be interested to see the times on more competitive tires, and also with/without charge+. The battery isn't sized for hard track use but if I were buying one, this wouldn't bother me as I believe it will be a load of fun on the street.
The C8 Stingray Z51 is lower down the list right, C7GS is faster than the C8 Stingray Z51. ZL1 Camaro and Viper ACR still holding steady on the list for FE cars too. My speculation is that the Cup 2Rs are good for 3-4 secs over the PS4s. If the ERay ran with the Cup 2Rs that would put the ERay closer to Porsche 911 Turbo time.
Originally Posted by PCMIII
The C8GS could accomodate Cup 2Rs while the Z51 cannot. GS would be much more streetable than Z06, but still competitive on the track, for $24K less money.
More streetable? If a GS had the same motor as the C8 Stingray, it would be a stiffer suspension wider tire version of the current Stingray and not faster around the track than an ERay or Z06, the ERay suspension is right between the Z51 and Z06 suspension (not Z07), so a GS would be a slower version for less money. If we want to fantasize about a GS variant.....lets add twin turbos or a Magnusson to the LT2. That would be interesting.
Originally Posted by Wing252
I want to be wrong, much easier to get an Eray instead of waiting four years for a Z06 allocation right now. Much more livable as a daily as well. Excited to see it raced in the real world. I'd bet it's much faster than the Z06 to 30mph, about the same to 60, and the Z06 flies past it above 120ish. It's got the AWD launching capability but power to weight working against it. 3900lbs/655 versus 3600lbs/670.
Not sure if you look at BaT or Bring a Trailer C8 Z06s are popping up left and right with warranty. Not all are meeting the reserve, and the prices continue to drop. There was just a sweet 1LZ and some 2LZ, I think the 1LZ was a Z07....that would be the stripped down fastest version for the track. Point being if you want one you don't have to wait necessarily. I'm on the MacMulkin ERay list, but if I see the C8Z on BaT that is a good deal, I keep telling myself not to buy it, but one of these days I might lose the battle and buy one anyway.
Last edited by Shinobi'sZ; 02-25-2024 at 12:39 AM.
The fun factor for Eray is the leap off the line that the electric motor gives you. The fun factor for GS is handling and cornering. Your choice for a $30K difference.
So basically it’s everyday fun vs. occasional weekend fun?
So basically it’s everyday fun vs. occasional weekend fun?
Hmmmm.
My "road course" is 4 circular entrance and exit ramps on the freeway near my house. So road holding and corner grip is very important and fun. If you leap off the line at a green light, you better be sure no cops are around.
It's still cute that you keep insisting that a GS will improve it for you. You still haven't put 345's out back and seen if your C8's performance improves 1 iota.
Indeed, I did that green light thing in my ZO6 I had before the current C8 and they pulled me over. But it was OK when I explained this was normal acceleration for the car and not me doing anything excessive and they let me off
Last edited by stepheng; 02-26-2024 at 04:29 PM.
Reason: clarification
It's still cute that you keep insisting that a GS will improve it for you. You still haven't put 345's out back and seen if your C8's performance improves 1 iota.
Spoiler
It won't....
Both C7 and C8 Stingray achieved 1.11 g on a skid pad, while the C7 GS got 1.18 g. https://fastestlaps.com/lists/top-grip-kings
Wider tires = more cornering grip, all else being equal. It would be simple for Corvette to install the LT2 in the Z06 body and chassis, but then all the other C8 versions would lose sales.
Both C7 and C8 Stingray achieved 1.11 g on a skid pad, while the C7 GS got 1.18 g. https://fastestlaps.com/lists/top-grip-kings
Wider tires = more cornering grip, all else being equal. It would be simple for Corvette to install the LT2 in the Z06 body and chassis, but then all the other C8 versions would lose sales.
As opposed to just putting cup 2's on a stock Z51. Ok then.
My "road course" is 4 circular entrance and exit ramps on the freeway near my house. So road holding and corner grip is very important and fun. If you leap off the line at a green light, you better be sure no cops are around.
Very cool! My closest S turn is 6 miles away, right in front of the Sheriffs office 🧐
02-23-2024, 10:14 AM
