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So if C8 isn't going mid-engine and mid engine is going Cadillac...where?
Are the spy photos of new front engine Corvette test mules? Think about it. If the car was coming in the early 20s they would be rolling chassis testing already. Has anyone photographed a 2021 Corvette front engine model mock up testing? Nope!
Are the spy photos of new front engine Corvette test mules? Think about it. If the car was coming in the early 20s they would be rolling chassis testing already. Has anyone photographed a 2021 Corvette front engine model mock up testing? Nope!
You don't see running cars until 2 years before release. So anything with a spy photo out now is at latest a 2019, the C8 is a 2021 so obviously prototypes are two years out.
Are the spy photos of new front engine Corvette test mules? Think about it. If the car was coming in the early 20s they would be rolling chassis testing already. Has anyone photographed a 2021 Corvette front engine model mock up testing? Nope!
Yes, it will be a Cadillac...........AND here are the photos!!!
^^^ As RT points out in the article, The Front End actually YELLS 2011 Holden VE II SS V.
And interestingly, "Holden has offered badge engineered models in sharing arrangements with Chevrolet, Isuzu, Nissan, Opel, Suzuki, Toyota and Vauxhall Motors..." not Cadillac.
And all this may be a moot point... in December 2013, "...General Motors announced that Holden would cease engine and vehicle manufacturing operations in Australia by the end of 2017." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden
Last edited by Steve Garrett; 04-09-2017 at 09:36 PM.
^^^ If you look closely at the "spy' photo, it is not a "normal" Holden pickup truck with a wing slapped on the back.
Look at how much more forward the cowling is and the A pillars are(and a completely different design A pillar). The A pillars and the windshield glass and the roof panel look to be from a C7. The hood is much shorter than the Holden' and appears to be held in place with four locking pins. The spy photo appears to be a mid engine prototype mule that is hidden under Holden body panels as a disguise.
Could be a new aluminum space frame chassis from a reworked C7 chassis along with the C7's suspension, etc, but with the C7's cockpit moved forward. Plenty of room behind the squared off "cab", under the flat cover on the bed, to install a mid engine and new transaxle design, without showing a "fastback" body to the public.
Look at the door mirrors. They are mounted to the door panels like a C7, not like the Holden' mirrors. Most likely the "mule" has C7 doors, so they fit the relocated forward C7 cockpit and door jams, etc. And look how close the front of the door is to the front fender flair vs the Holden's, indicating the cockpit is indeed more forward than the Holden's.
Look at the bottom of the B pillars where they attach to the rear quarter panels. Notice that the width of the cab is much more narrower than the Holden's giving a flat top to the quarter panel(just like on a C7) indicating a C7 cockpit with Holden quarter panels mounted as a disguise. The Holden's B pillar is almost flush with the outside surface of the quarter panel, unlike the "mule".
Look at the Holden's windshield base compare to the top of the door panel(at the door glass) and notice the windshield and the hood is quite a bit higher than on the "spy photo" where they are the same height(just like a C7).
Even the fender "flares" on the "mule" stick out further than on the "stock" Holden, and are closer to the top of the front fenders and the rear quarter panels, indicating a chassis that has a wider track and lower profile(like a C7).
The "spy" photo is not a Holden, but a Corvette/Cadillac mid engine prototype with reworked Holden body panels to hide what it really is. Bet on it, just like what GM did when they made some C5 "mules" cloaked in reworked Camaro body panels.
Last edited by Steve Garrett; 04-10-2017 at 05:54 PM.
Are the spy photos of new front engine Corvette test mules? Think about it. If the car was coming in the early 20s they would be rolling chassis testing already. Has anyone photographed a 2021 Corvette front engine model mock up testing? Nope!
Why would they be out testing a front engine model mockup if it's basically going to be the same as the current front engine C7(but with some redesigned body panels)?
But if they are, then for all we know, all those spy photos of the so called C7 "ZR1" could be nothing but a 2021 C8 front engine Corvette and we are seeing(with camo applied) the 2021 C8(with new front fenders, front fascia, and hood and a new rear fascia with round tail lamps under the camo) using a C7 chassis(like what the did in 1968 when the new 1968 Corvette had a new body placed on the 1963-1967 Corvettes chassis). The 1968 was a new "generation" but it was not 100% new, as it used recycled 1963-1967 frame and driveline parts.
Last edited by Steve Garrett; 04-09-2017 at 09:35 PM.
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If you look closely at the "spy' photo, it is not a "normal" Holden pickup truck with a wing slapped on the back.
Look at how much more forward the cowling is and the A pillars are(and a completely different design A pillar). The A pillars and the windshield glass and the roof panel look to be from a C7. The hood is much shorter than the Holden' and appears to be held in place with four locking pins. The spy photo appears to be a mid engine prototype mule that is hidden under Holden body panels as a disguise.
Could be a new aluminum space frame chassis from a reworked C7 chassis along with the C7's suspension, etc, but with the C7's cockpit moved forward. Plenty of room behind the squared off "cab", under the flat cover on the bed, to install a mid engine and new transaxle design, without showing a "fastback" body to the public.
Look at the door mirrors. They are mounted to the door panels like a C7, not like the Holden' mirrors. Most likely the "mule" has C7 doors, so they fit the relocated forward C7 cockpit and door jams, etc. And look how close the front of the door is to the front fender flair vs the Holden's, indicating the cockpit is indeed more forward than the Holden's.
Look at the bottom of the B pillars where they attach to the rear quarter panels. Notice that the width of the cab is much more narrower than the Holden's giving a flat top to the quarter panel(just like on a C7) indicating a C7 cockpit with Holden quarter panels mounted as a disguise. The Holden's B pillar is almost flush with the outside surface of the quarter panel, unlike the "mule".
Look at the Holden's windshield base compare to the top of the door panel(at the door glass) and notice the windshield and the hood is quite a bit higher than on the "spy photo" where they are the same height(just like a C7).
Even the fender "flares" on the "mule" stick out further than on the "stock" Holden, and are closer to the top of the front fenders and the rear quarter panels, indicating a chassis that has a wider track and lower profile(like a C7).
The "spy" photo is not a Holden, but a Corvette/Cadillac mid engine prototype with reworked Holden body panels to hide what it really is. Bet on it, just like what GM did when they made some C5 "mules" cloaked in reworked Camaro body panels.
All good observations... thanks.
My salient point was the bolded statement... that the front endis from a Holden... that's it.
For the record, I totally believe that a ME platform will be upon us in the next 1-2 years. My hope is that it sports the Corvette moniker, but I'll be excited no matter which GM badge it wears.
But again, thanks for the observations. And I think that your other theories are reasonable ones.
04-07-2017, 07:43 AM
So if C8 isn't going mid-engine and mid engine is going Cadillac...where?
