So, Um... Where is the C8?
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I was at the Industry preview at the Detroit car show yesterday and while I was admiring the ZR1 two engineers were talking near me about the mid-engine car. One guy who sounded like he knew a few details said to the other don't hold your breath on the car coming out soon. Hope he is wrong and that we will find out this year the details, sure looks like a complete car is hiding under the black cladding they have on them now.
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Customer ME’s coming in the summer of 2019. It would be too long for any of us holding our breathe that long.
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The way I see it, for a new generation vehicle, it's borderline mandated for GM to make an official announcement of any type in advance. This is to at least generate interest in preps for the show in question. If I recall, the C7 was officially announced 2-3 months before making its first appearance...the C8 will likely follow suit because it's considered a major release.
Once ZR1 got put into the equation and announced (again, by GM), that pretty much confirmed a C8 no-show at the Detroit Auto Show because this is the vehicle that's ready to build and promote. And even without the ZR1, if you didn't hear anything directly from GM, something as major as a generational vehicle isn't showing up. Especially considering it was 3 weeks prior to the event and people were not only anticipating, but expecting it. This "hope" that it would just "show up" like Reptile from Mortal Kombat isn't the right way to go about it from a marketing and sales perspective. That's just common sense.
And for anyone saying that the ZR1 and C8 are two different markets...from GM's point of view, it's really not. GM's not in it to sell any Corvette, they're in it to sell every Corvette. Having the C8 and ZR1 simultaneously, especially when the ZR1 has yet to enter salesroom floors would thin out the numbers and step on the toes of the ZR1's marketing ploy. You don't want C7 vs C8 when money is directly involved.
Once ZR1 got put into the equation and announced (again, by GM), that pretty much confirmed a C8 no-show at the Detroit Auto Show because this is the vehicle that's ready to build and promote. And even without the ZR1, if you didn't hear anything directly from GM, something as major as a generational vehicle isn't showing up. Especially considering it was 3 weeks prior to the event and people were not only anticipating, but expecting it. This "hope" that it would just "show up" like Reptile from Mortal Kombat isn't the right way to go about it from a marketing and sales perspective. That's just common sense.
And for anyone saying that the ZR1 and C8 are two different markets...from GM's point of view, it's really not. GM's not in it to sell any Corvette, they're in it to sell every Corvette. Having the C8 and ZR1 simultaneously, especially when the ZR1 has yet to enter salesroom floors would thin out the numbers and step on the toes of the ZR1's marketing ploy. You don't want C7 vs C8 when money is directly involved.
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GM are in danger of missing a great chance to launch the C8 while the economy is healthy. I think the ZR1 is largely a waste of time as relatively few units will be sold.Who wants a highly strung over powered beast for normal highway driving - perhaps a minority with too much money and inflated egoes. Much greater profitable success would be achieved by launching the mid engined car this year and follow up with an up-dated front engined C7. Not sure what the hold up is as mid engined technology has been around for years.
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You have a point about the economy.
Now would be a perfect time to release a new gen of Corvette.
My guess is the C8 must not be far enough along in development as some assume.
I find it difficult to believe GM would hold up release of the C8 just for the opportunity to sell a few thousand ZR1s.
Now would be a perfect time to release a new gen of Corvette.
My guess is the C8 must not be far enough along in development as some assume.
I find it difficult to believe GM would hold up release of the C8 just for the opportunity to sell a few thousand ZR1s.
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GM are in danger of missing a great chance to launch the C8 while the economy is healthy. I think the ZR1 is largely a waste of time as relatively few units will be sold.Who wants a highly strung over powered beast for normal highway driving - perhaps a minority with too much money and inflated egoes. Much greater profitable success would be achieved by launching the mid engined car this year and follow up with an up-dated front engined C7. Not sure what the hold up is as mid engined technology has been around for years.
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I would imagine the C8 program isn't far enough along yet in development and especially testing for a 2018 release. Hopefully they learned some lessons from the Z06 release. I will gladly wait for a thoroughly wrung-out and tested platform.
Even if the ME C8 were to be released today concurrently with the C7 for a couple of years, I'd opt for a ZR1 instead if I were buying right now. The base model C8 will likely not deliver performance anywhere close to the ZR1, if past history repeats. When the 850hp C8, or a higher performance version, debuts in a couple of years and eclipses the ZR1 and C7Z, then I'll switch over to the C8 from my C7Z.
Even if the ME C8 were to be released today concurrently with the C7 for a couple of years, I'd opt for a ZR1 instead if I were buying right now. The base model C8 will likely not deliver performance anywhere close to the ZR1, if past history repeats. When the 850hp C8, or a higher performance version, debuts in a couple of years and eclipses the ZR1 and C7Z, then I'll switch over to the C8 from my C7Z.
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So, Um . . . Where is the C8?
Right where GM wants it to be. Development continues as the expected bugs are worked out. The launch will take place on GM's time frame, not ours. In the meantime, as so many of us have said all along . . . those who talk don't know, and those who know don't talk.
Right where GM wants it to be. Development continues as the expected bugs are worked out. The launch will take place on GM's time frame, not ours. In the meantime, as so many of us have said all along . . . those who talk don't know, and those who know don't talk.
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The base model ME C8 will walk all over the ZR1 on a road course. Yes, the ZR1 would win a drag race or a top speed run. There is a reason, after all, that GM is moving to a mid engine platform.
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That said, I'm excited to try the C8. I think the later versions will really deliver ZR1-surpassing performance.
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Now, the C8Z, that's a different story...
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