Could GMs Plan be to force Stingray buyers to Camaro by pricing the C8 high?
02-19-2018, 07:35 PM
#21
Historically, the same engine they put in the Corvette is usually available in a Camaro, at worst, slightly detuned. The difference between them is all in the chassis. Camaro is a 4 seat muscle/pony car, Corvette is a 2 seat grand touring/sports car.
The base C8 will be mid engine. I don't think all the mid engine cars will be $100k+ halo models.
The base C8 will be mid engine. I don't think all the mid engine cars will be $100k+ halo models.
02-19-2018, 07:51 PM
#22
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1) corvette sales have fallen
2) those that have sold, sold because of massive discounts. Imagine if ALL were MSRP and no less
3) c7's are getting long in the tooth. Adding HD radio is not going to push allot more.
4) Only new deign change I have heard or seen is the ME/C8 whatever you want to call it. Either way I have only seen one. So unless they do a little tune up and different front spoiler the 2020 c7 IF its still around will sale even less, unless there is a change
5) Big part of that change that NEEDs to happen is to toss the A8 and we are told A10 will not work on the c7 chassis. The Camaros already have it, Mustangs have it. Are they really going to keep pumping the ragged A8 for another few more years? Soooooooo
that leaves us with only ONE conclusion!!!!!
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2) those that have sold, sold because of massive discounts. Imagine if ALL were MSRP and no less
3) c7's are getting long in the tooth. Adding HD radio is not going to push allot more.
4) Only new deign change I have heard or seen is the ME/C8 whatever you want to call it. Either way I have only seen one. So unless they do a little tune up and different front spoiler the 2020 c7 IF its still around will sale even less, unless there is a change
5) Big part of that change that NEEDs to happen is to toss the A8 and we are told A10 will not work on the c7 chassis. The Camaros already have it, Mustangs have it. Are they really going to keep pumping the ragged A8 for another few more years? Soooooooo
that leaves us with only ONE conclusion!!!!!
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02-19-2018, 08:44 PM
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Regarding price my guess for best business case would be somewhere around $10k-$15k over C7 ZR1 with all the boxes checked.
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02-19-2018, 09:02 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by lostsoul
3) c7's are getting long in the tooth. Adding HD radio is not going to push allot more.
C4: 13 years
C5: 8 years
C6: 8 years
C7: 5 years and counting
Jaguar F-Type: 6 years and counting
Mitsubishi 3000GT: 9 years
Nissan GTR: 10 years
Viper (Gen 1): 11 years
Viper (Gen 2): 8 years
Viper (Gen 3): 5 years
Mercedes SL (R230): 11 years
Acura NSX (original): 16 years
Ending the C7 with the 2021 model year would make sense, especially when weighed against that engine estimate report that got leaked a few months back.
If they bring the ME to market in 2019 as a 2020 model, that gives them 2 more years to recoup investment on the ZR1 and then introduce a new front engine C8 in 2021 as a 2022 model. We'll probably see the Z06 get dropped before then though. Maybe the Stingray too. I'd have to go pull the numbers, but I think most of the 2012-2013 C6 sales were Grand Sports rather than base models.
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02-19-2018, 09:04 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by NemesisC5
Zora "Lemans" or something similar in relevance and significance.
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02-19-2018, 09:24 PM
#26
Corvette will not push its faithful to be Camaro buyers! Corvette knows their audience and it is a wide range of price points. $56k to $130k for folks who want the best of the best C7 Vette. So my guess is there will be different versions of the C8 to capture price points with their new ME version. They have no intention of continuing a front engine car. Think about it, the Bowling Green plant does not desire to have two different assembly lines running at the same time, IMO. Is the plant even big enough to do that ? So expect a 650HP base ME for about $66,000 to $70,000. A step up to a 750-775 HP version for $71k-100K and the ZORA, with dare I say 800-1000 HP for $100k-155k. Remember when the Challenger shocked the muscle car world with 707 HP a few years back! Well have read that Corvette had the small block able to make 1000 HP but the C7 could not handle it. Imagine if top of the line Corvette C8 shocks the world with a 1000 HP Vette!!!!
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02-19-2018, 09:38 PM
#27
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Originally Posted by faninc
Think about it, the Bowling Green plant does not desire to have two different assembly lines running at the same time, IMO.
Originally Posted by faninc
Is the plant even big enough to do that ?
Originally Posted by faninc
So expect a 650HP base ME for about $66,000 to $70,000.
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02-19-2018, 09:47 PM
#30
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The next generation corvette will be an ME. This has been discussed in the halls of GM for decades & finally GM is secure with the right leadership in charge to move them into this direction (Mark Reuss will be one reason. He was instrumental in the new Camaro and is a big race fan who has influence to move the board) read more: https://www.gm.com/company/leadershi...ark-reuss.html
The new ME will eventually see production of around 20k units per year. This will help pay for BG dedicated assembly plant. If GM can produce a ME with a starting MSRP below 75k that would be a game changer.
One reason for GM to produce the FE till 2021: Helps streamline the supply cost for the new ZR1 since it’s shares many parts with the C7.
The new ME will eventually see production of around 20k units per year. This will help pay for BG dedicated assembly plant. If GM can produce a ME with a starting MSRP below 75k that would be a game changer.
One reason for GM to produce the FE till 2021: Helps streamline the supply cost for the new ZR1 since it’s shares many parts with the C7.
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02-19-2018, 10:13 PM
#34
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The corvettes moving to a mid engine platform to leap ahead of the sixth gen of the camaro...
Should be interesting to see how wrong I am..lol
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02-19-2018, 10:59 PM
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Name one instance where any manufacturer has introduced a successor to a high end car, and left the previous generation in production alongside it.
Fleet-grade crap like the Malibu and Impala don't count.
The extended 2019 model year would need the be the last one for the C7 in order for the mid-engine car to be the successor starting in 2020.
If they hadn't introduced the ZR1, I'd say that's plausible. But I really doubt they're going to sell the ZR1 for just one year.
Fleet-grade crap like the Malibu and Impala don't count.
The extended 2019 model year would need the be the last one for the C7 in order for the mid-engine car to be the successor starting in 2020.
If they hadn't introduced the ZR1, I'd say that's plausible. But I really doubt they're going to sell the ZR1 for just one year.
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02-19-2018, 11:30 PM
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Just as we call different C7 specific models a Stingray, a Grand Sport, A Z06, or a ZR1, yet call the whole generation a C7, I believe that while we will have a ME version called a “Zora,” however, we might have learned a clue that the ME will be called a C8. Where did Larbre Team first learn of the C8 race car? High probably it was by talking to some member of the Corvette team, specifically being told that the “C8 race car was under development.”
This is based on a slip by a European Corvette Racing team, Larbre, talking about how as the C7 race car was tired, and the C8 race car was not yet ready, so in the interim year, they will be instead racing a Ligier — until the C8, which they said was underdevelopment, was released.
http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018/...erm=2018-02-16
This is based on a slip by a European Corvette Racing team, Larbre, talking about how as the C7 race car was tired, and the C8 race car was not yet ready, so in the interim year, they will be instead racing a Ligier — until the C8, which they said was underdevelopment, was released.
Originally Posted by CorvetteBlogger
Larbre Competition Mentions C8 Corvette Racecar Development During ACO Press Conference (By Keith Cornett)
Over the last couple of years, Larbre Competition has fielded a Corvette C7.R in the LMGTE-Am class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Larbre’s Corvette entries have affectionately been known as the “French American” and we all remember last year’s dramatic No.50 C7.R “Human” art car that was one of the more memorable entries in their 24 years of racing.
The team will be celebrating their 25th year at Le Mans and will be changing things up by fielding a Ligier JS P217 in the LMP2 Prototype class at the Summer Classic.
During his ACO press conference remarks in Paris earlier this month as reported by dailysportscar.com, team owner Jacques Leconte says the switch to LMP2 is due to the C7.R platform showing its age and C8 is still being developed.
Leconte could be generalizing about the C8 Corvette, which is undergoing development as a street car and is expected to break cover early next year, but his quote specifically mentions racing the C8:
“The story with Corvette is not over though. It was not possible to enter another C7.R in the GTE Am category. This car is aging and we would not have been in a position to secure a good line-up at Le Mans in 2018. It was also too early to enter a C8 as this car is still in development.”
We all know that a C8.R will be coming. During this year’s Corvette Corral seminar at the Rolex 24, Corvette Racing’s Doug Fahan simply stated that “Whatever we build…we will be racing…of that you can be certain” in response to a question on whether the team will be moving to a C8.R.
Take Leconte’s remarks for what they are. He clearly has enjoyed his relationship with Corvette Racing and Chevrolet with racing Corvettes at Le Mans and the WEC, and so we are glad to hear him say that Larbre Competition is not yet finished with Corvette quite yet.
Over the last couple of years, Larbre Competition has fielded a Corvette C7.R in the LMGTE-Am class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans. Larbre’s Corvette entries have affectionately been known as the “French American” and we all remember last year’s dramatic No.50 C7.R “Human” art car that was one of the more memorable entries in their 24 years of racing.
The team will be celebrating their 25th year at Le Mans and will be changing things up by fielding a Ligier JS P217 in the LMP2 Prototype class at the Summer Classic.
During his ACO press conference remarks in Paris earlier this month as reported by dailysportscar.com, team owner Jacques Leconte says the switch to LMP2 is due to the C7.R platform showing its age and C8 is still being developed.
Leconte could be generalizing about the C8 Corvette, which is undergoing development as a street car and is expected to break cover early next year, but his quote specifically mentions racing the C8:
“The story with Corvette is not over though. It was not possible to enter another C7.R in the GTE Am category. This car is aging and we would not have been in a position to secure a good line-up at Le Mans in 2018. It was also too early to enter a C8 as this car is still in development.”
We all know that a C8.R will be coming. During this year’s Corvette Corral seminar at the Rolex 24, Corvette Racing’s Doug Fahan simply stated that “Whatever we build…we will be racing…of that you can be certain” in response to a question on whether the team will be moving to a C8.R.
Take Leconte’s remarks for what they are. He clearly has enjoyed his relationship with Corvette Racing and Chevrolet with racing Corvettes at Le Mans and the WEC, and so we are glad to hear him say that Larbre Competition is not yet finished with Corvette quite yet.
http://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018/...erm=2018-02-16
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02-20-2018, 12:30 AM
#38
Le Mans Master
I'm not buying it. I fully believe they said the words. But if GM is intending to campaign the ME car in endurance racing, then why even mention a later FE C8 at all? They'd have no reason to. From there it's not exactly a big leap for someone who's not privy to all the details to simply assume the next car is the "C8".
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02-20-2018, 01:51 AM
#39
Which is?
Makes sense...
Zora will be positioned as top dog with few options although no trim level designations similar to Ferrari 458 or Lamborghini Huracan. Likely special edition later in life also similar to 458 Speciale Aperta or Huracán Performante. Zora "Lemans" or something similar in relevance and significance.
Regarding price my guess for best business case would be somewhere around $10k-$15k over C7 ZR1 with all the boxes checked.
Regarding price my guess for best business case would be somewhere around $10k-$15k over C7 ZR1 with all the boxes checked.
02-20-2018, 10:27 AM
#40
Race Director
Sound familiar?
Oh, and the 911 survived all that, while the 928 fizzled out!
Never say never
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