Las Vegas Dealer's Conference: C8 Announcement, it is coming!
#101
Melting Slicks
The racing team is already working on the race version of this car. He saw this car long ago and clearly has given input to the production side of Corvette. He is fully aware of what this car is!!
#102
Racer
Can we keep this thread on topic? Now if he could comment on how some of these renderings are or, even better, comment on what the C8.R will look like that'd be great
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ArmchairArchitect (08-14-2018)
#103
Melting Slicks
Conversely, No matter how many times this has been pointed out, some folks don't want to hear that this new state of the art mid engined Super Car Corvette will most likely be out of their financial reach. That my friend is the real embarrassing truth about many on this forum. The fact that most Corvette owners will be out of that upper end market that the ME is moving into. Many here want to believe they can afford it but the sad truth will hit them when they find out the reality.
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tooold2race (04-05-2018)
#105
Melting Slicks
Absolutely will double the price. The C6 ZR1 had window stickers over 120K at the end of the C6 generation. We now have C7 ZR1's at 150K. You are delusional if you think the Mid engine will be half the cost of the ZR1. Read this to see what many on this forum gleaned from Zerv's Leak Thread.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-corvette.html
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-corvette.html
The majority of Chevy's sales with the Corvette have always been the base or moderately options cars. If the mid-engine is released (and is the only Corvette option) and the entry to purchase is over $100k, then Chevy will lose the majority of it's Corvette buyers and the high volume sales that have always defined the Corvette.
Speaking for myself (C3 and previous C6 owner with a 2019 GS on the way), if the base mid-engine was six figures, I would be looking around at other options.
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ArmchairArchitect (08-14-2018)
#106
Melting Slicks
The "entry level" mid-engine may very well be half the cost of the ZR1. A ~$70k entry level price is placed just low enough that the "regular Corvette buyer" will still be able to afford one. The high performance, highly optioned version will surely surpass the $140k ZR1, but the base model will not.
The majority of Chevy's sales with the Corvette have always been the base or moderately options cars. If the mid-engine is released (and is the only Corvette option) and the entry to purchase is over $100k, then Chevy will lose the majority of it's Corvette buyers and the high volume sales that have always defined the Corvette.
Speaking for myself (C3 and previous C6 owner with a 2019 GS on the way), if the base mid-engine was six figures, I would be looking around at other options.
The majority of Chevy's sales with the Corvette have always been the base or moderately options cars. If the mid-engine is released (and is the only Corvette option) and the entry to purchase is over $100k, then Chevy will lose the majority of it's Corvette buyers and the high volume sales that have always defined the Corvette.
Speaking for myself (C3 and previous C6 owner with a 2019 GS on the way), if the base mid-engine was six figures, I would be looking around at other options.
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#107
Melting Slicks
Conversely, No matter how many times this has been pointed out, some folks don't want to hear that this new state of the art mid engined Super Car Corvette will most likely be out of their financial reach. That my friend is the real embarrassing truth about many on this forum. The fact that most Corvette owners will be out of that upper end market that the ME is moving into. Many here want to believe they can afford it but the sad truth will hit them when they find out the reality.
In 2014 alone, GM sold 34,839 Corvettes. Using an average price of $55,000 (very conservative estimate) GM generated over 1.9 Billion (with a B) in gross sales...That was just on the 2014 model.
If GM raises the entry level price to $120,000 the sales numbers will plummet to a fraction of the 2014 sales. But let's say absolutely best case - it outsells all models of Porsche 911 around the world, so about 8,000 (which it would not). 8,000 times 120,000 is $960 Million.
So in the best case scenario above, GM comes up $1 Billion less in first year sales compared to the C7....Not gonna happen.
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ArmchairArchitect (08-14-2018)
#108
Woo hoooo!!!! Never doubted it... the lingering question for me is will the entire line-up me mid-engine or will there be a "supercar" Corvette Zora and a regular FE C8.
#109
I believe I saw enough of the hood to confirm no hood vent. Hopefully 1 of the other dealers on this forum are attending and can confirm. The pictures were up for maybe 20 seconds. I focused primariy on the more clear picture of the front corner. Another interesting announcement there is a performance electric car coming out, looked like a cross-over. Alan Batey was very clear in saying it is a performance model. If it is a cross-over, this will be interesting.
Or are you sure it was more of a crossover/CUV look?
#110
Melting Slicks
That would be a terrible business decision for GM. Let's do the math.
In 2014 alone, GM sold 34,839 Corvettes. Using an average price of $55,000 (very conservative estimate) GM generated over 1.9 Billion (with a B) in gross sales...That was just on the 2014 model.
If GM raises the entry level price to $120,000 the sales numbers will plummet to a fraction of the 2014 sales. But let's say absolutely best case - it outsells all models of Porsche 911 around the world, so about 8,000 (which it would not). 8,000 times 120,000 is $960 Million.
So in the best case scenario above, GM comes up $1 Billion less in first year sales compared to the C7....Not gonna happen.
In 2014 alone, GM sold 34,839 Corvettes. Using an average price of $55,000 (very conservative estimate) GM generated over 1.9 Billion (with a B) in gross sales...That was just on the 2014 model.
If GM raises the entry level price to $120,000 the sales numbers will plummet to a fraction of the 2014 sales. But let's say absolutely best case - it outsells all models of Porsche 911 around the world, so about 8,000 (which it would not). 8,000 times 120,000 is $960 Million.
So in the best case scenario above, GM comes up $1 Billion less in first year sales compared to the C7....Not gonna happen.
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#112
Racer
I'm really curious about this too. If Nate said it looked like a crossover but GM insisted it's a performance car, I wonder if they're targeting something along the lines of the Jaguar I-Pace. Jaguar had it at the auto show and I was very surprised at how low the roof was.
#113
Melting Slicks
Where are you getting the idea that there is only the ME as the only model going forward? Corvette clearly is continuing the C7 FE until 2021 and will morph into the C8 FE. The new ME will be a fifth model in Corvette's lineup. Team Corvette would be committing Automotive suicide by dropping their traditional four model FE(Stingray, Grand Sport, ZO6, ZR1) line. They did not double the Bowling Green Plant to one million square feet to build just one model.
Remember, prior to the economic crisis, the C7 was intended to be a mid engine platform, and as far as I know, there was no plan at that point to have a parallel path with a front engine model.
Also - some of the mid engine test vehicles (even recently) have been sporting steel brakes and relatively narrow tires, so that points to the likelihood that there will be an "entry level" model of some sort.
Again - Just my 2 cents.
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NewYuriCity (04-05-2018)
#114
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by skank
They have the C7 FE which will morph into the C8 FE for the price point you are talking about. This new ME is being developed for a whole new demographic of buyers which they never have had. This car is a brand new ball game !
#115
Burning Brakes
If you subscribe to all of the indications that point to the continuation of the FE Corvette as we know it today AND accept what looks pretty factual, that there is a new ME just around the corner, how could you possibly think the newest high tech ME model would be prices the same as the current entry level Corvette. Who would buy the old FE model for the same money???
There will surely be a base FE Corvette and a high buck ME supercar. Perhaps over time the technology and the cost of the new ME will drift down the line, but not when it is first introduced.
There will surely be a base FE Corvette and a high buck ME supercar. Perhaps over time the technology and the cost of the new ME will drift down the line, but not when it is first introduced.
#116
Pro
I am dumbfounded at the apparent lack of exposure to the various threads that have been on this forum! How can a reasonably intelligent man not have seen the basis for this statement dozens of times by now? The basic list of components that the Mid Engine Corvette will have on it place it squarely in the realm of "expensive." The only other cars that have the same accoutrements are priced 2 and 3 times as high.
#117
I am dumbfounded at the apparent lack of exposure to the various threads that have been on this forum! How can a reasonably intelligent man not have seen the basis for this statement dozens of times by now? The basic list of components that the Mid Engine Corvette will have on it place it squarely in the realm of "expensive." The only other cars that have the same accoutrements are priced 2 and 3 times as high.
#118
Pro
This car is not about pure economies of scale when the impression has been decidedly given that the plan is to produce approximately 3000 vehicles per year with this configuration. They will still sell most of them in the US (as I see it) but will definitely capture some of the foreign crowd when the difference in purchase price is brought into the picture. Do not ignore the currency and exchange rate either. If you're a UK person your ₤1 = $1.40 today. Makes buying a fully optioned Corvette ME a lot more reasonable then a McLaren...and with similar configuration!
#119
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by ltomn
I am dumbfounded at the apparent lack of exposure to the various threads that have been on this forum! How can a reasonably intelligent man not have seen the basis for this statement dozens of times by now? The basic list of components that the Mid Engine Corvette will have on it place it squarely in the realm of "expensive." The only other cars that have the same accoutrements are priced 2 and 3 times as high.
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ArmchairArchitect (08-14-2018)
#120
Le Mans Master
Originally Posted by ltomn
This car is not about pure economies of scale when the impression has been decidedly given that the plan is to produce approximately 3000 vehicles per year with this configuration. They will still sell most of them in the US (as I see it) but will definitely capture some of the foreign crowd when the difference in purchase price is brought into the picture. Do not ignore the currency and exchange rate either. If you're a UK person your ₤1 = $1.40 today. Makes buying a fully optioned Corvette ME a lot more reasonable then a McLaren...and with similar configuration!