Question-Why would someone just not buy a Porsche?
10-07-2018, 08:22 PM
#521
Melting Slicks
Your premises are mis-informed magazine fairy tales.
Are you a reliability engineer? (I am). Are you basing YOUR OPINION on leather thickness? Can you articulate your opinion based on reliability parameters? Do you know what reliability is? Hint: nothing to do with leather... Ever wonder why Porsche always comes short two years and 50K miles on warranties compared to Corvette. Do you know what probability of failure is and how it drives warranties?
Another fairy tale. Your data? Do you know how to read a 10K SEC filing? Have you looked at the P/L for Corvette? vs Porsche? Corvette has expanded plant, new paint facility, getting ready for all new and advanced platform most likely in conjunction with previous and here you are talking Porsche investments in 1996 caymans and 1963+ 911s?
Have you looked at the billions Porsche had to fork out this year alone to settle their emission cheating? Can you please take a read and come back to reality, please?!
More magazine intoxication...and demographics....have you actually looked at C7 sales versus caymans and 911s??? Can the two germans put together come remotely close to 1/3 of C7 sales? The real demographic I count is the one that buys or are you again confusing with magazine subscriptions?
Sales at hand, Corvette has rightfully competed and market defeated Porsche since 1953 because it is a superior platform. It is more reliable. It is more flexible. It is more powerful. It is more comfortable. It is more economical. Does not need race tires to post marketing records and it does not cheat emissions.
Sorry if I busted your magazine collection knowledge base with data points...
Are you a reliability engineer? (I am). Are you basing YOUR OPINION on leather thickness? Can you articulate your opinion based on reliability parameters? Do you know what reliability is? Hint: nothing to do with leather... Ever wonder why Porsche always comes short two years and 50K miles on warranties compared to Corvette. Do you know what probability of failure is and how it drives warranties?
Another fairy tale. Your data? Do you know how to read a 10K SEC filing? Have you looked at the P/L for Corvette? vs Porsche? Corvette has expanded plant, new paint facility, getting ready for all new and advanced platform most likely in conjunction with previous and here you are talking Porsche investments in 1996 caymans and 1963+ 911s?
Have you looked at the billions Porsche had to fork out this year alone to settle their emission cheating? Can you please take a read and come back to reality, please?!
More magazine intoxication...and demographics....have you actually looked at C7 sales versus caymans and 911s??? Can the two germans put together come remotely close to 1/3 of C7 sales? The real demographic I count is the one that buys or are you again confusing with magazine subscriptions?
Sales at hand, Corvette has rightfully competed and market defeated Porsche since 1953 because it is a superior platform. It is more reliable. It is more flexible. It is more powerful. It is more comfortable. It is more economical. Does not need race tires to post marketing records and it does not cheat emissions.
Sorry if I busted your magazine collection knowledge base with data points...
Last edited by Dr. ice; 10-07-2018 at 08:26 PM.
10-07-2018, 08:32 PM
#522
Got it.....your a fanboy! Point proven my friend! Now that you have that off your chest maybe we can get back to the issue of quality. Hell yes they sell more Corvettes.....they don’t cost anymore than a Silverado pickup. Have you forgotten the GM bailout? Get off the kool aid and sober up.
The hard realization that unlike magazines, CF answers back when necessary....
10-07-2018, 08:35 PM
#523
Melting Slicks
10-07-2018, 08:41 PM
#524
10-07-2018, 08:45 PM
#525
Got it.....your a fanboy! Point proven my friend! Now that you have that off your chest maybe we can get back to the issue of quality. Hell yes they sell more Corvettes.....they don’t cost anymore than a Silverado pickup. Have you forgotten the GM bailout? Get off the kool aid and sober up.
10-07-2018, 08:48 PM
#526
Melting Slicks
Not at all. Just pointing out you are neither an owner of a C7 or 911 yet you feel you have the expertise to debate those that have actually owned both. I am sorry to inform you, but sitting in cars at your local dealership are far from living with them over a period of time. Please don’t debate what you know nothing about. Now get back to your magazines and see what owners of both have to say. I look forward to your homework report.
10-07-2018, 08:54 PM
#527
Melting Slicks
10-07-2018, 09:03 PM
#528
Not at all. Just pointing out you are neither an owner of a C7 or 911 yet you feel you have the expertise to debate those that have actually owned both. I am sorry to inform you, but sitting in cars at your local dealership are far from living with them over a period of time. Please don’t debate what you know nothing about. Now get back to your magazines and see what owners of both have to say. I look forward to your homework report.
Truth is you own the car.. and you want to own the story too and it's not working...
10-08-2018, 10:57 AM
#529
Race Director
It's too bad that a lot of people in here are drunk on the Corvette Kool Aid. Yes the current Corvette is a great car at a great price but if you think it can compare to cars costing twice, three, four times as much, you're **** drunk.
Hint, you can admit that there are better cars out there, just as many as there are worse cars out there.
Would I rather have a GT2 RS over a ZR1, yes, over a new ME Corvette, yes. Would I take a Cayman over a Corvette Z51, no.
Hint, you can admit that there are better cars out there, just as many as there are worse cars out there.
Would I rather have a GT2 RS over a ZR1, yes, over a new ME Corvette, yes. Would I take a Cayman over a Corvette Z51, no.
Because, in the real world, everyone has financial constraints and every dollar you spend on a frivolous spots car is a dollar that could have gone to something else.
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10-08-2018, 11:05 AM
#530
Race Director
In a way, this entire thread is remarkably stupid and I feel a bit stupid for engaging in it
The truth is, each marque has (and for decades has been faithful to) its own very successful value proposition. Most of us on this site go for what the Vette brings to the table. Arguments about why they are "more right" than those who buy the Porsche value proposition are silly. As are the counter-arguments. We have our own personal criteria, and, unless we are remarkably stupid, we spend our money on the product that best meets those criteria. As it has always been...
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10-08-2018, 11:30 AM
#531
I am not at all interested in Porsche for three reasons:
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
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1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
10-08-2018, 12:49 PM
#532
I am not at all interested in Porsche for three reasons:
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
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Wow...you must feel really out of place with that MAGA hat in SoCal.
Wow...you must feel really out of place with that MAGA hat in SoCal.
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10-08-2018, 01:23 PM
#533
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I am not at all interested in Porsche for three reasons:
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; 10-08-2018 at 01:38 PM.
10-08-2018, 05:38 PM
#534
Le Mans Master
Why does everyone keep comparing just price or 1/4-mile straight line time? Z51 and Cayman S are similar pricing and both offer nice performance.
I just think if the C8 gets a lot more expensive than the C7, you get much nicer quality and higher resale value in a Porsche. Just compare the interiors:
I also happen to greatly value the removable roof that the C7 includes as a no cost option. That sucker is really valuable to me.
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10-08-2018, 06:20 PM
#535
Team Owner
to me, the ZR1 might as well be a GT2 RS, 200k CAD is just as far off as 500k CAD as far as cars go for me right now.
10-08-2018, 06:28 PM
#536
Team Owner
I am not at all interested in Porsche for three reasons:
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
1. It is not made in the USA
2. It is not made in the USA
3. It is not made in the USA
I bought my Z06 last year, built the engine and watched the folks at Bowling Green Assembly build it from beginning to end. When Porsche sells that option I will (maybe) think about considering buying one.
10-09-2018, 09:42 AM
#537
Le Mans Master
This was my original post:
I found a new (5 miles) 2018 Z06 for 70K on autotrader at that time. Just did a search and it musthave sold. Also you seem fixated on 2019. So, you’d have to pay 75K for that. And it will munch on a Cayman S. I posted the cheapest Cayman S’s beliw (no 2019s make the cut).
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10-09-2018, 12:07 PM
#538
Wow...not sure how you can reach the conclusion that the C7 interior is superior. You are entitled to your opinion, though if you consult any car magazine, review program, or maybe even other persons in general you will find they disagree.
10-09-2018, 12:18 PM
#539
^^^^ Car magazines know sh*t about style! Have you seen how some of them dress? LOL.....Seriously though, they are biased and you should take everything they say with a grain of salt. And yes a 3LT C7 interior is a very nice place. The leather dash adds a level of richness to it! Does it need improvement, absolutely! But that doesn't mean it's a bad interior. And also photography can be misleading as well. The same interior can look great in one pic and not so great in another. And again, a $60 or $70K Porsche interior has about the same quality as a $30K VW! Go sit in both and decide for yourself.
10-09-2018, 12:21 PM
#540
Racer
Out of any of the high end sports cars out there on the market, Porsche is the last car I would ever want to own. I'm sure there fast, I'm sure they handle incredibly well, sure they may have more luxury to them... but they are the most boring looking sports car out there. The C7 has been compared to Ferrari as far as looks and styling goes. My C7 GS can hold its own. And it's going to be even faster in the months to come.