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Old 11-16-2018, 09:18 AM
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"Chevrolet" and Exotic $170K cars.

Every time I say this I throw up a little in my mouth.
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Old 11-16-2018, 09:31 AM
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Does a car really have to be considered exotic to carry a price tag over $150K? There are cars that run into this price range that I would hardly consider an exotic.
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Originally Posted by JDSKY
Does a car really have to be considered exotic to carry a price tag over $150K? There are cars that run into this price range that I would hardly consider an exotic.
Maybe "extravagant" is better.

Meaning - exceeding what is reasonable or appropriate; absurd.

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Old 11-16-2018, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
The Getrag DCT for the Ford GT is $32K. If the 2020 Stingray starts at $60K, the cost is prohibitive. Makes sense for the Zora at $170K.
wrong again, economy of scales. The cost will be around 5k for the DCT due to how many they will purchase. It’s been discussed already.
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Nadovedan

wrong again, economy of scales. The cost will be around 5k for the DCT due to how many they will purchase. It’s been discussed already.
I believe PCMIII and ZERV02 should think about why some folks buy a $2500 Gucci handbag versus a perfectly functional and perhaps "better performing" one costing $50! And they don't shop for those at Walmart!

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Old 11-16-2018, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by tcinla


just...stop... A little thought before spewing would benefit you greatly, and anyone unfortunate enough to read your spew:
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https://www.torquenews.com/106/why-camaro-and-corvette-dont-share-every-transmission
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“This physical difference between the driveline layout of the Camaro and the Corvette is the clearest reason why GM can’t just stick the 7-speed manual from the Corvette in the Camaro or the 10-speed from the ZL1 in the Corvette. “
If only I had known that the Corvette transmission is in the rear, I would not have made such a horrible mistake! Everyone knows that GM is simply not capable of modifying a front mounted transmission to a rear mounted configuration because their engineers are all amateurs who are not familiar with automatic transmissions. Wow, you are so right!
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Old 11-16-2018, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Supermassive
We've said this over and over (and over) in this thread and many others, the problem is that PCMIII and others of his mindset fully believe that a company like GM feels the need to "prove" itself. .
GM does need to prove itself everyday in the marketplace. Manufacturers that don't prove themselves everyday end up in Chapter 7. GM already experienced Chapter 11 and but for the U.S. government, would be just a memory now.

The U.S. market for sports cars is literally dying as boomers age out. Same thing is happening to Harley Davidson. The U.S. market is dominated by pick-up trucks and SUVs. The only way for a sports car to be successful in today's market is the Porsche way: sell in Asia, Europe, Middle East and North America. Limiting sales to North America with a traditional Corvette is a death sentence.

To conquer the world market, you must have a car that dominates races everywhere and that costs money because high tech ain't cheap. Either you go all in, or you go home. Corvette managers ain't stupid.
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Originally Posted by Zaro Tundov
Compared to a pushrod V8 it isn't compact at all, at least in the vertical dimension.

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You make factual assertions but don't provide any evidence to back it up. Why should anyone believe you?
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I agree, even though Corvette beats many exotic cars that cost 3 times as much which makes it a performance bargain.
The ZR1 lost to Honda Civic, Mazda Miata and Kia Stinger in Motor Trend's Best Driver's Car competition. It did beat Mustang, however, so there's that.
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Originally Posted by Redc7z06
"Chevrolet" and Exotic $170K cars.

Every time I say this I throw up a little in my mouth.
Honda NSX?
Ford GT?
How do you feel about those cars?​​​​​​
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nadovedan

wrong again, economy of scales. The cost will be around 5k for the DCT due to how many they will purchase. It’s been discussed already.
Not for a Getrag. El Cheapo DCT, maybe. But that ain't gonna cut it in the big leagues.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Not for a Getrag. El Cheapo DCT, maybe. But that ain't gonna cut it in the big leagues.
GM is all about cost. Believe me, I know. I have worked for two automotive suppliers.
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Old 11-16-2018, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JerryU
I believe PCMIII and ZERV02 should think about why some folks buy a $2500 Gucci handbag versus a perfectly functional and perhaps "better performing" one costing $50! And they don't shop for those at Walmart!
If you had bought a Cobra 427 from your local Ford dealer back in the '60s you would be very happy now. OTOH, a Ferrari Mondial can be bought for $20K now.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
You make factual assertions but don't provide any evidence to back it up. Why should anyone believe you?
Wow . . . priceless!
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Honda NSX?
Ford GT?
How do you feel about those cars?​​​​​​
Niche cars try and buy one......

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Looking back at car history, Having Halo type cars, and winning races etc etc does actually matter. Its about the brand, and branding means everything in todays marketplace. ( Look at freakin apple, over priced shiny tech, not innovative but has a great brand, was the first trillion dollar company, just lost 200 billion off that but whatever)
Point is, being the fastest, hanging with the big boys matters to the brand of Corvette. Dodge is making a real run at being the biggest and fastest in the US, so as Chevy/Corvette you either let them take the title or you up your game. Looks like they are upping their game which is the right move.

And as for buying 169k cars.... I'm married so that answer is no. I personally wait a couple years let someone else break it in and pay the 10-20% off the lot depreciation ( which is a real thing) then I begin shopping for bargains. Divorces, deaths, job lose, etc etc you can get very expensive cars at huge discounts if you are patient. Hell or just wait 15 years then pick up 130k cars for peanuts. Barret Jackson late Saturday/Sunday auctions are filled with 120+K cars a decade old, with low mileage going for 20k.
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
Not for a Getrag. El Cheapo DCT, maybe. But that ain't gonna cut it in the big leagues.
it’s been shown by the numbers, and no weren’t talking about a tremac. They can get the cost down to around 5k. Also, just point out you keep saying that sports market is dying in the US but the global economy is cooling. China and Germany are contracting. China slaps such a huge tax on performance cars that the market isnt growing like you think. It’s not the emerging exotic market as you think. A 170k car will likely cost around 230k after taxes. Plus the rich Chinese prefer luxury vehicles like the Maybach over sports
cars. The only place where there’s a bigger market than the US is the Middle East.

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Niche cars try and buy one......
Two GTs up for sale at upcomg Barrett Jackon

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Medi...ntent=11152018
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Originally Posted by Nadovedan

. China slaps such a huge tax on performance cars that the market isnt growing like you think. It’s not the emerging exotic market as you think. A 170k car will likely cost around 230k after taxes. Plus the rich Chinese prefer luxury vehicles like the Maybach over sports
cars. The only place where there’s a bigger market than the US is the Middle East.
China is Porsche's biggest market with more than twice as many sales as in Germany.
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