$169,900, final price confirmed
12-11-2018, 04:16 PM
#1461
Melting Slicks
Zora needs to establish a separate identity from Corvette (the value leader) so discounting from 911 prices is not appropriate. "Oh, you couldn't afford the 911 so you settled for a Zora" is not what GM wants to hear. A premium brand needs to charge premium prices. How many people know that Porsche is a division of VW?
Deliver on quality like Porsche has for almost 20 years,
and eventually you get to hike prices.
Nobody says that a Corvette can’t be priced like a Porsche 10 years from now.
But ,for model year 2020 ,it can’t happen ,and many will flock to the P car...
Last edited by pietro c7; 12-11-2018 at 04:19 PM. Reason: Missp
12-11-2018, 04:37 PM
#1462
Melting Slicks
Most models of the 996 generation of the Porsche 911 sports car were afflicted with a vulnerability in the intermediate shaft (IMS) that drove their engines' camshafts. Failure of the ball bearing of the IMS generally leads to varying degrees of engine failure. Generally, after IMS bearing failure, the engine internals are contaminated with debris from the failure that requires the engine to be stripped and rebuilt. In severe failure modes, cam timing may be affected, leading to valve-piston impact, necessitating replacement of the entire engine
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vndkshn (12-12-2018)
12-11-2018, 04:47 PM
#1463
16 Vettes and counting…..
I'm fully aware of the correct terminology, and used it. Higher level interiors will attract buyers, but there are so many other factors that go into it that pointing out a statistic is going to prove absolutely nothing about how it impacts sales. Everything from marketing, to brand image, desired use, to the type of people that walk in the door is going to impact how an upscale interior is going to impact sales. For example, if you go into Porsche shopping for a GT3, chances are you can afford it without blinking. It is not likely to be your first Porsche. And you would fall into one of two types of buyers, either a) you want a track car, or b) you have money to throw around and simply want the best. Either way, interior is not the first consideration. Conversely if you are buying an M5, you aren't shopping for a track car. You are likely a high earning business person and want a luxury car that has a lot of power. It is likely your daily driver and you want to be a bit pampered so you are shopping for something with a nice interior to go with all that power. If you are shopping for new Corvette you are either a) stepping up from buying used Vettes because that is what you could afford in the past, b) a diehard Corvette fan and this is what you buy, or c) someone who can afford all the fast cars they want, or at least a few, and recognize that the Corvette is a bargain for what you get. In any of these events, you aren't shopping for a luxury cruiser. The closest you get is the guy who likes some speed and wants to fit a golf bag or two in the back. So, the audience isn't there for luxury interiors. Kia, well let's face it, only people who hate themselves buy Kias. If you are on the lot you already have a problem, but since you are making bad decisions why not buy a terrible car with a pretty interior. Most who buy Kias can't afford the upscale models, so there goes the nice interior. The ones who are sill there and can afford to buy the nicer version are already making a bad decision and shouldn't be allowed to handle their own money.
You're ignorance is outweighed only by your arrogance, pomposity, and snobbery. I'd wager that most people who speak as you do on the internet don't have a pot to **** in.
Hyundai and Kia...disposable cars 35 years ago.......are now building some of the most reliable cars on the planet...and desirability is on its way. Take a moment from sucking on your latte to read some road tests of the Stinger.......and Genesis is suddenly giving the ****'s fits with their excellent G70. They're not screwing around.
FYI, I can afford any car I want. I have a 2015 Genesis 5.0 that replaced a POS 2012 Mercedes CLS63. It's been flawless and is about to be replaced next week by a G90. My DD 2012 Genesis will be replaced next month by TT Stinger....and I don't hate myself. In fact, I love me! I'm awesome!
So.............you'e wrong again. And again. In fact, you're pretty much wrong on just about everything you say. Keep up the good work. You've officially qualified to join a few other forum buffoons in the not so exclusive "Idiots of the CF" club. You guys are great comedy relief.
Can't wait for the reveal and pricing. It's going to be a great day here. Well, probably not so much for you.
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Atari_Prime (12-11-2018)
12-11-2018, 04:52 PM
#1464
I don't have a dog in the price fight nor any information on the price. The C8 looks ok. The C8R looks better. It will perform well, minus some likely first year issues (as virtually all first year Vettes have had). Glad you are enjoying your Kia. 
12-11-2018, 04:55 PM
#1465
Melting Slicks
You mean quality like this?
Most models of the 996 generation of the Porsche 911 sports car were afflicted with a vulnerability in the intermediate shaft (IMS) that drove their engines' camshafts. Failure of the ball bearing of the IMS generally leads to varying degrees of engine failure. Generally, after IMS bearing failure, the engine internals are contaminated with debris from the failure that requires the engine to be stripped and rebuilt. In severe failure modes, cam timing may be affected, leading to valve-piston impact, necessitating replacement of the entire engine
Most models of the 996 generation of the Porsche 911 sports car were afflicted with a vulnerability in the intermediate shaft (IMS) that drove their engines' camshafts. Failure of the ball bearing of the IMS generally leads to varying degrees of engine failure. Generally, after IMS bearing failure, the engine internals are contaminated with debris from the failure that requires the engine to be stripped and rebuilt. In severe failure modes, cam timing may be affected, leading to valve-piston impact, necessitating replacement of the entire engine
The P car is a total sales disaster and piece of garbage...Nobody wants them ,And their future looks not so promising .
12-11-2018, 05:20 PM
#1466
Team Owner
You mean quality like this?
Most models of the 996 generation of the Porsche 911 sports car were afflicted with a vulnerability in the intermediate shaft (IMS) that drove their engines' camshafts. Failure of the ball bearing of the IMS gene rally leads to varying degrees of engine failure. Generally, after IMS bearing failure, the engine internals are contaminated with debris from the failure that requires the engine to be stripped and rebuilt. In severe failure modes, cam timing may be affected, leading to valve-piston impact, necessitating replacement of the entire engine
Most models of the 996 generation of the Porsche 911 sports car were afflicted with a vulnerability in the intermediate shaft (IMS) that drove their engines' camshafts. Failure of the ball bearing of the IMS gene rally leads to varying degrees of engine failure. Generally, after IMS bearing failure, the engine internals are contaminated with debris from the failure that requires the engine to be stripped and rebuilt. In severe failure modes, cam timing may be affected, leading to valve-piston impact, necessitating replacement of the entire engine
But regardless, why are you focused on a car model that is at best 15 years old? I'll answer, you do lousy research or like to try to slant things in your favor. Sorry, you lose - Again.
12-11-2018, 05:42 PM
#1468
Melting Slicks
Very enlightening.
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12-11-2018, 05:56 PM
#1469
Melting Slicks
How about the 911 991-1 when 5 of them burned down and Porsche confiscated all 785 cars that were already in owners hands and took them away and swapped out the engines. It was a worldwide PR nightmare for Porsche. The Rennlist thread went over a thousand pages if I remember correctly. I read most of it and it was a disaster for Porsche.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p...es-119675.html
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p...es-119675.html
12-11-2018, 06:17 PM
#1470
How about the 911 991-1 when 5 of them burned down and Porsche confiscated all 785 cars that were already in owners hands and took them away and swapped out the engines. It was a worldwide PR nightmare for Porsche. The Rennlist thread went over a thousand pages if I remember correctly. I read most of it and it was a disaster for Porsche.
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p...es-119675.html
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/p...es-119675.html
12-11-2018, 06:32 PM
#1471
Melting Slicks
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...gine-warranty/
Last edited by skank; 12-11-2018 at 06:39 PM.
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ArmchairArchitect (12-12-2018)
12-11-2018, 06:58 PM
#1472
Safety Car
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I know what the NSX costs.
I know what the Audi R8 costs.
I know that a Cayman can easily cost over $100K.
I know what a McLaren 570s costs.
Every high performance sports car on the market costs a lot of money, but the dreamers here think that the ME Corvette will be much cheaper.
I know what the Audi R8 costs.
I know that a Cayman can easily cost over $100K.
I know what a McLaren 570s costs.
Every high performance sports car on the market costs a lot of money, but the dreamers here think that the ME Corvette will be much cheaper.
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jcsperson (12-11-2018)
12-11-2018, 07:36 PM
#1473
No, they actually took them back and swapped out every engine with that condition. They gave loaners but still, it was a PR disaster. And now they have taken that massive thread off their forum. GONE GONE GONE
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...gine-warranty/
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...gine-warranty/
It was the GT3 only in 2014..Yes a PR disaster is pretty true, however every single owner got a loaner delivered and theyre car towed to the dealer. They replaced every single engine and they are 50k dollars a pop. Only a few had failures at that point..I look at that as a company I will support forever. Every one makes mistakes, it's how you handle it. I myself waited and got the 2015 GT3 and still similar engine, no failures yet.
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ByByBMW (12-11-2018)
12-11-2018, 09:18 PM
#1475
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In addition to replacing all the engines and supplying loaners, Porsche increased the warrantee on the non-affected GT3 engines. Did GM do anything for all the 2015-2016 Z06s that overheat?? No nothing. They made changes for 2017 but nothing for the previous Z06 "track capable" cars that overheat.
Can't believe people use a couple GT3s that had problem THAT WAS ADDRESSED by Porsche as an example of them being bad.
It was the GT3 only in 2014..Yes a PR disaster is pretty true, however every single owner got a loaner delivered and theyre car towed to the dealer. They replaced every single engine and they are 50k dollars a pop. Only a few had failures at that point..I look at that as a company I will support forever. Every one makes mistakes, it's how you handle it. I myself waited and got the 2015 GT3 and still similar engine, no failures yet.
Can't believe people use a couple GT3s that had problem THAT WAS ADDRESSED by Porsche as an example of them being bad.
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12-11-2018, 10:53 PM
#1476
Melting Slicks
5
In addition to replacing all the engines and supplying loaners, Porsche increased the warrantee on the non-affected GT3 engines. Did GM do anything for all the 2015-2016 Z06s that overheat?? No nothing. They made changes for 2017 but nothing for the previous Z06 "track capable" cars that overheat.
Can't believe people use a couple GT3s that had problem THAT WAS ADDRESSED by Porsche as an example of them being bad.
In addition to replacing all the engines and supplying loaners, Porsche increased the warrantee on the non-affected GT3 engines. Did GM do anything for all the 2015-2016 Z06s that overheat?? No nothing. They made changes for 2017 but nothing for the previous Z06 "track capable" cars that overheat.
Can't believe people use a couple GT3s that had problem THAT WAS ADDRESSED by Porsche as an example of them being bad.
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ArmchairArchitect (12-12-2018)
12-11-2018, 11:10 PM
#1477
Melting Slicks
It was the GT3 only in 2014..Yes a PR disaster is pretty true, however every single owner got a loaner delivered and theyre car towed to the dealer. They replaced every single engine and they are 50k dollars a pop. Only a few had failures at that point..I look at that as a company I will support forever. Every one makes mistakes, it's how you handle it. I myself waited and got the 2015 GT3 and still similar engine, no failures yet.
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Originally Posted by Bama GT4
Warranty repair charges for the two replacement engines: $80,460
I am surprised that a full replacement with labor is only $40,000.
12-11-2018, 11:15 PM
#1478
Burning Brakes
$170k for a car with WalMart level of customer service GM must be joking......
Hopefully when they go bankrupt next time the U.S. taxpayers won't have to bail them out
Hopefully when they go bankrupt next time the U.S. taxpayers won't have to bail them out
12-11-2018, 11:42 PM
#1480
Racer
Alfa Romeo 4C is also mid-engine and priced like a base C7
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