Supermassive

Great reviews...but substantially lagging in sales.

The Camaro is not a replacement for the Corvette in any buyers eyes no matter what engine is stuffed in it. The Challenger Demon has over 850HP from the factory...but is not typically cross shopped with a Corvette because the cars serve completely different purposes.

I appreciate just how capable the Camaro ZL1 1LE is but I'd take a 450Hp Grand Sport over it every day of the week and never care that the ZL1 is technically faster because it is just a jumped up Camaro.

tcweidner

because corvette and high end camaro occupy the same price point currently. If you look at your car history, Camaro was never allowed to approach the corvette in engine packages etc, right now they are sharing the same top end package. Camaro was never branded to compete directly with corvette, yet right now at the 60-70k price points it is. Why? its pretty obvious,it's because corvette is about to be bumped up.

Telepierre

Sorry...I know you are on a roll... but just to set the record factually right on the 1LT and 70% less than 80K...with the sales numbers from GM:

1. https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...te-model-year/

If 18.1% of ALL corvettes sales are the base model coupes with base trim package then it reasons that 81.9% are not.
And since 81.9% are not base model coupes with base trim and there is nothing cheaper and lesser than it reasons that 81.9% is higher and more expensive than that

OR!?

Zora_Vette

I am perfectly fine with the base starting at about $75K-$80K. And I think that is where it will start. I think the majority of the people that will complain about the $20K increase from the C7 base is C7 owners, and I think they are forgetting that they have a car to trade in, which will significantly offset the cost. Hopefully they will look at it from that perspective.

jcsperson

That's the way I'll be looking at it.

Zora_Vette

Good, that's one. Now for the other tens of thousands

tcweidner

if the c8 is in high demand and supplies are low, better bring some lube, you will need it.

ssidekickbp

I'll just state this. IF and that's a big IF, they are trying to raise prices and think guys who previously bought the a Corvette will be fine with moving over to a Camaro, they are dead wrong.

I could care less which ones are out now that can out perform my Z51.

I have a feeling many guys would agree with me.

tcweidner

No they are thinking you're gonna pony up another 20k+ to stay with corvette since they are jumping to a higher performance ME. And they are thinking and they are seeing other american muscle heads are already willing to pay for 650-850 hp cars so they can bump up their camaro brand to 65k to 75k. Makes sense..

Foosh

I don't think so . . .

tcweidner

well the Camaro ZL1 already exist, already has the top corvette engine package in it, and is now squarely in the middle of corvettes price points. Something they have not allowed in 50 years. So we will see , it'll be interesting. Hell I would love to see a 65k ME base C8, I just wouldnt bet on it.

RegnaR

Yes the first few c8s to hit dealers will probably have that 100k mark up haha. Two years later 20% off sticker price.

Sure the C8 zr1 could cost 169k with eletrelectric assist motors.

Darion

Lol, base C8, $69,900 plus $100k dealer market adjustment and there ya go!

PC

vetteman41960

I think you over estimate the percentage of Corvette buyers that are well enough informed to even know that the c8 is on its way.

I agree many of us who are on our 10th or 15th Corvette and spend time on CF are in the know and as repeat buyers are holding off to see what the C8 offers.

If the C8 is priced anywhere close to the C7 say within 20k the C7 is dead.

The driving dynamics of a v8 powered DCT mid engine Corvette are night and day more exciting to drive.

I can tell you my 15 458 is similar to my 16 Callaway SC757 In wheel base and weight but feels vastly smaller and far more nimble compared to the Vette.

I only hope that we don't have to wait to be able to select some other engine than a upgraded LT1.

I am thinking maybe the Spyder will intro with the 4.2 DOHC tt as that would help justify a 15 or 20k spread from a base coupe.

I have no knowledge just wishful thinking on my part.

JDSKY

Maybe I am in the minority that would never want a Camaro no matter how they offer it or price it. In current form it handle's well and you get good performance for the dollar but I just don't care for the overall driving experience. While I think the Camaro is the better car on the track the Mustang for me is hands down the better car for the road. I just cannot get myself to own a Ford Mustang either and that was my wife's car when we were dating. Maybe I'm just past the cars of my youth. As good as they have gotten, I just want something better....

Skullbussa

C7 values are going to enter a free-fall if the pricing speculation and technical specifications of the C8 are correct.

JerryU

Wouldn't own one! Rented a Vert once, returned in the next day for a Chrysler! Looks OK from the outside but you sit in a hole.

Now a '67 adding a real tubbed chassis and a 572 crate motor.... could replace my '34 street rod!

jefnvk

I think far fewer people cross shop high end Camaros and base Corvettes than cross shop high end Camaros with high end Challengers, Chargers, and Mustangs. Camaro can't not compete with the likes of GT350s and Redeyes if it doesn't want to get canned again.

The Corvette is a different class of car. Sure, I'm sure some waver between the two, but I think high priced Camaros exist to keep Camaro buyers from defecting to more performance four seaters, than to allow the Corvette to go up in price.

And in any case, if you think that GM would make a decision outside of historical precedence in bumping the Corvette way up in price, why would allowing the Camaro top line to match the base Corvette be more unrealistic?

tcweidner

i dont think the are going to bump the corvette way up, just up.. 80 to 89 k base c8 looks to fill a market position and price point not served right now. Things go up in price all the time.

Supermassive

GM has come out and stated that their performance division is no longer barred from sharing components in the quest to make the ultimate iteration of that car.

It has nothing to do with arbitrarily "bumping" the price of the Vette up...seriously who cross shops Camaros and Corvettes that isn't looking at it from a purely track car perspective? The highest optioned Camaro ZL1 1LE still retains the Camaro interior. The lowest priced C7 has a nicer interior than any Camaro.
I never considered the Camaro when I bought my Corvette. It just wasn't on my radar as all that desirable, it was cool but not Corvette cool. I cross shopped the Viper GTS, the Alfa 4C, the Porsche Cayman R, a 911 Carrara, and a used Gallardo. Camaros are just too pedestrian in comparison to actual sports cars. The Alfa was hilariously fun to drive but I immediately knew it would be hard to live with. The Porsche Cayman R was a riot, but simply too much money since I could have gotten a decent 911 C4S at that price, which was a beautiful car to drive, and I could see life owning one being pretty easy, but the price was on the very limit of my budget. The Gallardo suffered the same fate due to cost...and that I really didn't like the Gallardo look. This left the Viper and Vette and the winner was chosen because of the transmission...I got the 8 speed auto so my lovely wife could enjoy it too.