Question? Will Chevy Still Build The C7
11-27-2018, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII
You have no idea if those are final CADs. Now that the Blackwing is available, there is no reason not to use it. A small block Chevy motor in Zora will not be a big seller.
And you are correct, I know nothing, just like you.
Engine order data shows a 6.2 NA, 4.2TT, 5.5TT.
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11-27-2018, 11:02 AM
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The big block rat motor ain't coming back. It died 40 years ago.
The Blackwing small displacement V8, combined with electric motors, is the future.
The Porsche business model has been working for 70 years straight: dominating cars sold worldwide. Corvette would be wise to follow that model.
The Blackwing small displacement V8, combined with electric motors, is the future.
The Porsche business model has been working for 70 years straight: dominating cars sold worldwide. Corvette would be wise to follow that model.
For GM and the country sure hope their plan didn’t include bringing in electric cars from China or India!
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11-27-2018, 11:10 AM
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11-27-2018, 11:16 AM
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^^^
The last gasping breath of an old design!
Those that want to keep those old ‘stump pullers’ can put a crate motor in an old Vette etc. I have my ZZ502 motored street rod when needed!
The last gasping breath of an old design!Those that want to keep those old ‘stump pullers’ can put a crate motor in an old Vette etc. I have my ZZ502 motored street rod when needed!
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11-27-2018, 11:36 AM
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Interesting that after spending so much on the BG facility that GM might consider abandoning it and the Corvette. i was shocked how quickly they dumped the Cadillac CT6, since that was geared to be GM's luxury halo car.
.........GM imo seems to be taking a leap of faith with their new vision.
.........GM imo seems to be taking a leap of faith with their new vision.
11-27-2018, 11:44 AM
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Interesting that after spending so much on the BG facility that GM might consider abandoning it and the Corvette. i was shocked how quickly they dumped the Cadillac CT6, since that was geared to be GM's luxury halo car.
.........GM imo seems to be taking a leap of faith with their new vision.
.........GM imo seems to be taking a leap of faith with their new vision.
Corvette will build multiple models at BGA to get a ROI that Wall Street likes. The One Corvette business model is history.
11-27-2018, 11:56 AM
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Several things that could happen
GM abandons the C8 and continues with the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for less than $80K: Corvette fans celebrate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more than $100K. Corvette fans grumble, but capitulate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more then $150K. Corvette fans get out the torches and pitchforks
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for more than $150K but continues the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate, then grumble.
Have I covered every possibility we can discuss?
GM abandons the C8 and continues with the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for less than $80K: Corvette fans celebrate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more than $100K. Corvette fans grumble, but capitulate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more then $150K. Corvette fans get out the torches and pitchforks
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for more than $150K but continues the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate, then grumble.
Have I covered every possibility we can discuss?
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11-27-2018, 11:59 AM
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Several things that could happen
GM abandons the C8 and continues with the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for less than $80K: Corvette fans celebrate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more than $100K. Corvette fans grumble, but capitulate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more then $150K. Corvette fans get out the torches and pitchforks
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for more than $150K but continues the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate, then grumble.
Have I covered every possibility we can discuss?
GM abandons the C8 and continues with the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for less than $80K: Corvette fans celebrate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more than $100K. Corvette fans grumble, but capitulate
GM delivers the C8 as a replacement for the C7 and it sells for more then $150K. Corvette fans get out the torches and pitchforks
GM delivers the C8 and it sells for more than $150K but continues the C7: Corvette fans grumble, then celebrate, then grumble.
Have I covered every possibility we can discuss?
11-27-2018, 12:04 PM
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Don’t know that there was ever 1 C7.
Compared to your thought that GM will go after the Porsche market, I believe the price for the base model will probably be the $65 to $70,000 price range a large dealer recently speculated. There will be variants in time that include a small cid, 3.5 to 4 Liter double overhead cam, large twin turbo, with large intercoilers and fat rear fenders to cover wider tires, larger rads and intercoolers. By 2025 one variant will have an F1 KERS type system. It will be efficient and powerful.
Will GM sell lots overseas? Doubt it as you’re missing why women buy Gucci bags for $2500 when a perfectly functional similar looking bag can be purchased for $50! Folks won’t buy a Ferrari, or high end Porsche etc from Chevy or GM for that matter. It’s a basic flaw in that logic!
Compared to your thought that GM will go after the Porsche market, I believe the price for the base model will probably be the $65 to $70,000 price range a large dealer recently speculated. There will be variants in time that include a small cid, 3.5 to 4 Liter double overhead cam, large twin turbo, with large intercoilers and fat rear fenders to cover wider tires, larger rads and intercoolers. By 2025 one variant will have an F1 KERS type system. It will be efficient and powerful.
Will GM sell lots overseas? Doubt it as you’re missing why women buy Gucci bags for $2500 when a perfectly functional similar looking bag can be purchased for $50! Folks won’t buy a Ferrari, or high end Porsche etc from Chevy or GM for that matter. It’s a basic flaw in that logic!
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11-27-2018, 12:05 PM
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I think there would be a good argument for them to produce both platforms. I am not saying it would still be the c7 which will stop as they all do, but a front and mid engine cars offer enough difference to offer both. Why would Porsche be considering bringing back a front engine as a 929 coupe? It would even fall within the 911 price range. A Panamera starts at maybe 5k less than a 911 at around 86k. A Cayenne starts at 67kish do you think Porsche couldn't bring a 70k front engine coupe and take some of those numbers from Corvette if they no longer offer one?
11-27-2018, 12:21 PM
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11-27-2018, 12:40 PM
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Fiero was even cheaper and it didn't last 5 years.
Where exactly is the evidence that a Corvette ME will sell even 10K annually? Is there a secret survey of Corvette owners that GM did a few years ago?
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11-27-2018, 01:54 PM
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Evidence is in the history of Corvette production/sales! Give the customer great value and performance at an affordable price.What comparable sports car can you buy for under 60K that competes with a Corvette? GM will use that same mind set on the C8. If priced right and offer more than the C7....they will sell all that they can build!
11-27-2018, 02:15 PM
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So basically an updated and glorified Fiero. Yeah, I am just sure that is how Corvette made its business case to Mary Barra. A $70K ME is not going to be competitive with Cayman, Supra or anything else in the category. Corvette buyers have not been clamoring for a ME and GM knows that. The ME at $70K will not even sell 20K cars annually.
11-27-2018, 02:26 PM
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We both had to understand how to drive, anticipating oversteer when going too fast into a turn. Like dirt track cars! But that was part of the fun! Yep if I bought a Ferrari would not be able to install the 25 mods (most minor) I have on my Grand Sport making it mine! Your also missing the American way some of us follow. Cars are meant to be modified!
Should go to the annual SEMA Show and see why 100,000 folks attend, mostly suppliers and vendors. It’s all aftermarket stuff for cars and trucks.
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11-27-2018, 02:29 PM
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Evidence is in the history of Corvette production/sales! Give the customer great value and performance at an affordable price.What comparable sports car can you buy for under 60K that competes with a Corvette? GM will use that same mind set on the C8. If priced right and offer more than the C7....they will sell all that they can build!
Further, Corvette is going to need to sell 50K ME cars just to break even on the $$$ they spent to upgrade BGA to 1,000,000 square feet, plus the new paint shop. That business case is laughable.
11-27-2018, 02:31 PM
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After this announcement of 14,800 folks being layed off I have to agree. Understand it’s a business but if you need to make more Bolts best make some of those parts and all cars here in the US and find jobs for those you’re laying off!
Perhaps they can move to SC where Volvo is putting in a plant to make cars!
Perhaps they can move to SC where Volvo is putting in a plant to make cars!
Last edited by JerryU; 11-27-2018 at 05:55 PM.