Bob Lutz via Car Buzz reports C8 to cost not much more than C7
#81
#82
If 7,000 buyers could afford to spend $90k or more on a car, that says nothing about buying any other countries sports car - the cheapest (actually only) French sports car sold in the US is the Bugatti Chiron (over $3 million) and the cheapest Italian sports car besides the Alfa 4C (which sells in pitiful quantities - less than 500/yr) is the Lamborghini Huracan ($200k), and I am pretty sure that not every person who has $90k to spend on a car has $200k+. Maybe they could have bought a basic 911 or Jaguar F-type, but neither of those sell in Corvette volumes in the US - all 911 less than 9,000/yr & all F-type about 4,000/yr; Audi hasn't sold more than 800 R8's in the US since 2013.
Anyone who believes that GM's senior mgmt, finance dept, and board of directors aren't laser-focused on those sales numbers is nuts.
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#83
16 Vettes and counting…..
You guy's actually think GM is going to dump 65 years of front engine Corvette design, engineering data, and knowhow just to appease a bunch of existing cheap tightwad Corvette owners that want a low entry level price. HA HA. Thats never going to happen. Their going forward and creating a whole new left hand and right hand model line to supplement the historical Corvette lineup. You guy's just have to wake up to the reality of two configurations going forward.
What part of the chief engineer saying that they've taken the FE platform as far as they can don't you understand? Get over it....the C8 is ME and there is no new FE Corvette. If there is, show me some proof....not just your speculation. If you can't, then just the STFU.
#84
Banned Scam/Spammer
What part of the chief engineer saying that they've taken the FE platform as far as they can don't you understand? Get over it....the C8 is ME and there is no new FE Corvette. If there is, show me some proof....not just your speculation. If you can't, then just the STFU.
That being said, I do think that the ME C8 will likely be the only corvette whenever it comes out.
Last edited by Sub Driver; 01-02-2019 at 07:30 PM.
#85
Pro
Aren't you the "meathead" that showed up on another posting? Just because an engineer suggests the platform has been maxed does not make it disposable! It means that they cannot further the performance of the vehicle, which already kicks boot on 99% of the other sports cars made. So...what does this mean? It means a car company like GM simply continues to tweek the model and make it a desirable and better vehicle by the driving experience standard. Take for example; Ferrari Superfast.
#86
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Do you really believe they couldn't improve the FE platform? Here are just a few ideas that would improve it - active aero, less weight, DCT, coilovers, possibly electric AWD. There are definitely still improvements that can be made because there is no way the C7 corvette is the best possible iteration of a FE platform. Tadge says many things that are not necessarily truthful and I think we all know that.
That being said, I do think that the ME C8 will likely be the only corvette whenever it comes out.
That being said, I do think that the ME C8 will likely be the only corvette whenever it comes out.
#87
16 Vettes and counting…..
Aren't you the "meathead" that showed up on another posting? Just because an engineer suggests the platform has been maxed does not make it disposable! It means that they cannot further the performance of the vehicle, which already kicks boot on 99% of the other sports cars made. So...what does this mean? It means a car company like GM simply continues to tweek the model and make it a desirable and better vehicle by the driving experience standard. Take for example; Ferrari Superfast.
Brilliant....compare a $400K car to a Corvette.
Can't wait for the reveal........ there won't be enough rocks for the idiots to hide under..........
#88
16 Vettes and counting…..
Do you really believe they couldn't improve the FE platform? Here are just a few ideas that would improve it - active aero, less weight, DCT, coilovers, possibly electric AWD. There are definitely still improvements that can be made because there is no way the C7 corvette is the best possible iteration of a FE platform. Tadge says many things that are not necessarily truthful and I think we all know that.
That being said, I do think that the ME C8 will likely be the only corvette whenever it comes out.
That being said, I do think that the ME C8 will likely be the only corvette whenever it comes out.
Name a better FE car for CORVETTE MONEY.
I'll wait..........
#89
Banned Scam/Spammer
You don't have to wait for anything, price has nothing to do with the point you made. You said the FE platform had reached its limit, which it obviously has not. There are still many improvements that could be implemented. Don't try to change the subject just because you were proven wrong.
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#90
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My example was exactly that: an example. When a company wishes to excel at putting forth a prime example of their auto manufacturing prowess of itself, it comes up with something like a Superfast, or a DB11 or a AMG GT. These are prime examples of front engine efforts. The Corvette can be any of these! Heavens, as you readily boast, it already equals or surpasses them performance wise. Now get real and fess up to the merit of a multi platform effort from GM. It makes complete sense.
I will grant you one obvious concession. If/when Corvette does these enhancements to their front engine platform, it will, no doubt, be at Corvette pricing, which is much more palatable then Ferrari, Aston Martin or Mercedes prices.
I will grant you one obvious concession. If/when Corvette does these enhancements to their front engine platform, it will, no doubt, be at Corvette pricing, which is much more palatable then Ferrari, Aston Martin or Mercedes prices.
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#92
Race Director
OK....
We KNOW there's an ME Corvette coming.
We don't KNOW if there is an FE Corvette AFTER the C7. All the arguments for a single platform or 2 platforms make sense and are easily justified by their proponents..
Is it really necessary to belittle each other over something that NO ONE on this forum KNOWS at this point?
We KNOW there's an ME Corvette coming.
We don't KNOW if there is an FE Corvette AFTER the C7. All the arguments for a single platform or 2 platforms make sense and are easily justified by their proponents..
Is it really necessary to belittle each other over something that NO ONE on this forum KNOWS at this point?
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#93
Race Director
BTW
It IS possible to have this discussion without it turning nasty...
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-thinking.html
PS. I started the linked thread 5 months ago.
It IS possible to have this discussion without it turning nasty...
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-thinking.html
PS. I started the linked thread 5 months ago.
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#94
Pro
BTW
It IS possible to have this discussion without it turning nasty...
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-thinking.html
PS. I started the linked thread 5 months ago.
It IS possible to have this discussion without it turning nasty...
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-thinking.html
PS. I started the linked thread 5 months ago.
#95
16 Vettes and counting…..
You don't have to wait for anything, price has nothing to do with the point you made. You said the FE platform had reached its limit, which it obviously has not. There are still many improvements that could be implemented. Don't try to change the subject just because you were proven wrong.
You've proved nothing. The Corvette has to exist in a certain price range to survive as it has for the last 65 years.......not the fantasy world of pricing so many clueless people like you think it can live in and succeed. I never said the FE had reached it's limits...I was quoting the CE, who has to build a car that will sell in certain numbers......and building such a car has a pricing limit. If money were no object, than the only limits would be the laws of physics. Seriously? You don't get that?
This forum needs to slap on a ten cent cover charge to keep out the riff raff.
#96
Pro
What part of the chief engineer saying that they've taken the FE platform as far as they can don't you understand? Get over it....the C8 is ME and there is no new FE Corvette. If there is, show me some proof....not just your speculation. If you can't, then just the STFU.
#97
16 Vettes and counting…..
Here it is!! First go read Miss Manners and then come back. I might add that the Corvette only exists in the price range that GM selects for it based on all of the various investments that it makes. The front engine has a lot of room for improvement but "meatheads," like you, chose to view it only in a performance vein. Recognize that you are one of about 100 vocal members of this forum that are suggesting GM see the merit of your argument for the betterment of 21,000 buyers. When that sinks in...and after Miss Manners...come back to talk.
You mean those measly 21K buyers who keep the car in existence?
#98
Race Director
And I am probably DEAD wrong, but this is a FORUM, where, hopefully, people can throw out ideas that are (hopefully) well thought out because of their knowledge and affection for the subject. Obvious click bait (say like $169,900 is THE price) should just be ignored (why not start a thread with the starting C8 price at $34,995, the effect would be the same.)
#99
16 Vettes and counting…..
Not sure why you delete this Skank....it's an awesome comeback:
---Quote (Originally by VETTE-NV)---
What part of the chief engineer saying that they've taken the FE platform as far as they can don't you understand? Get over it....the C8 is ME and there is no new FE Corvette. If there is, show me some proof....not just your speculation. If you can't, then just the STFU.
---End Quote---
Is that you Meathead ?
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---Quote (Originally by VETTE-NV)---
What part of the chief engineer saying that they've taken the FE platform as far as they can don't you understand? Get over it....the C8 is ME and there is no new FE Corvette. If there is, show me some proof....not just your speculation. If you can't, then just the STFU.
---End Quote---
Is that you Meathead ?
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#100
Banned Scam/Spammer
You've proved nothing. The Corvette has to exist in a certain price range to survive as it has for the last 65 years.......not the fantasy world of pricing so many clueless people like you think it can live in and succeed. I never said the FE had reached it's limits...I was quoting the CE, who has to build a car that will sell in certain numbers......and building such a car has a pricing limit. If money were no object, than the only limits would be the laws of physics. Seriously? You don't get that?
This forum needs to slap on a ten cent cover charge to keep out the riff raff.
This forum needs to slap on a ten cent cover charge to keep out the riff raff.
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