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Old 01-03-2019, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kozmic View Post
Just my opinion, but..

This really makes no sense at all... if GM wants the most attention from all of the media outlets that would provide the best/most exposure for the new ME platform, they would be pre-hyping the reveal as much as possible, just like they did with the C7, with all the pre-reveal teasers they sent out months before the final reveal.

A “surprise reveal” would be one of the dumbest marketing moves ever...unless...they have no plans to sell the car this year...and are only reavealing the ME as a prototype/concept as they did with previous ME designs, which I sincerely hope is not the case...
I would think GM learned the painful lesson Acura learned about revealing something that won't be available for a long period.
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Or they could do what Ford did with the GT500 and dork around so long that uncovered pictures are leaked and then the reveal is diminished
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Old 01-03-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmyb View Post
I would think GM learned the painful lesson Acura learned about revealing something that won't be available for a long period.
Yep, I agree 100%... that’s my point... “surprise reveals” are only good for concepts that are not planned to sell for awhile...if at all, ever...so I would really hope a surprise reveal is not GM’s plan, because it would signal a much longer time to market for whatever was revealed as a surprise...
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Originally Posted by Jeff V. View Post
Counter-point. Ford GT. Nobody knew that was coming, and it was a shock when they pulled the cover off. I'm still amazed they managed to keep it secret.

Now the mid-engine Corvette is the worst kept secret in Detroit, but they could still do a surprise announcement. It wouldn't work as well as the Ford because everyone knows it's coming, But they could still do it, and it could still be moderately successful.

I don't think they will though.
Don’t mean to be argumentative, but I feel the Ford GT is a bad comparison... that particular car isn’t/wasn’t meant to be sold to masses of folks on open market... in fact, most (if not all) serial numbers were sold prior to the reveal with pre-purchase criteria requirements... so, this is very much apples to oranges.

(Eta: also, everyone knew the GT was coming, just didn’t know exactly what the final design would look like until it’s reveal.)



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Old 01-03-2019, 10:51 AM
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I sure hope you are right on this one versus the $169,900 base price!! I have always thought that GM would acknowledge or reveal the C8 sometime in January, be it the Detroit auto show and or live broadcast internet. We will have to see .......
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Originally Posted by kozmic View Post

Don’t mean to be argumentative, but I feel the Ford GT is a bad comparison... that particular car isn’t/wasn’t meant to be sold to masses of folks on open market... in fact, most (if not all) serial numbers were sold prior to the reveal with pre-purchase criteria requirements... so, this is very much apples to oranges.

(Eta: also, everyone knew the GT was coming, just didn’t know exactly what the final design would look like until it’s reveal.)


The GT was revealed in Jan 2016. The application process didn't open until Feb 2016. They didn't announce it, let alone sell a single one, prior to the reveal.

People "knew it was coming" in the sense that I "know" there will be a 70th anniversary Corvette. It was likely they were going to do something for the 65th anniversary of their original Le Mans run, but nobody had any idea what, if anything, that would be.
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Or at Barrett Jackson Scottsdale AZ. On live TV? I’m guessing the 19 th. Ask Jay Leno.
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Old 01-03-2019, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jeff V. View Post
The GT was revealed in Jan 2016. The application process didn't open until Feb 2016. They didn't announce it, let alone sell a single one, prior to the reveal.

People "knew it was coming" in the sense that I "know" there will be a 70th anniversary Corvette. It was likely they were going to do something for the 65th anniversary of their original Le Mans run, but nobody had any idea what, if anything, that would be.
I am not gonna get pulled into a pissing match about who knows more about the Ford GT - my timing on the orders might be off, but actually the new Ford GT was revealed at the 2015 NAIAS show, and there was all kinds of talk about the car in 2014, including rumors of using a twin-turbo eco-boost v6 motor, etc. (my good friend submitted an application and was actually on the wait list for one, but ultimately was denied, and ultimately picked up a Huracan instead), but all of that is ancillary to the main point that the GT was not meant for mass consumption, like the corvette has always been (just as the Ford GT has always meant not to be). So... apples to oranges in my opinion, unless of course the new ME Corvette will not be meant for mass consumption, which would just be a sad day in automotive history for at least myself...

(eta: here is just one article from 2014: https://www.motor1.com/news/50090/ne...rn-to-le-mans/)

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Old 01-03-2019, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Zerv02 View Post
Suprise unveil on the 14th, stay tuned.
If not, I'm sending you the bill for my airline ticket.
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Old 01-03-2019, 12:07 PM
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The "big reveal" is going to be the official showing of the 6th Gen Camaro with the ZR1 LT5...not the ME car. #noMEREVEALinDETROIT2019 sorry, not sorry
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Originally Posted by Jeff V. View Post
GM has nothing on the Jan 14 schedule.

https://naias.com/press/press-conference-schedule/

The only GM event for the entire show is the Jan 13 reveal for the Cadillac XT-whatever.

So unless they're going to do it after hours and off site, I'm calling shenanigans.



Because when the car is officially announced, it's a real product. People are allowed to have expectations about it. They're allowed to ask, why isn't it out, and GM has to have a reply.

When it's not announced, GM doesn't have to say anything at all. They can always claim it was planned for 2021 and it's not late at all.

They can't really do it as a concept car because nobody would believe that it's "just a concept" thanks to all the leaks and public sightings.
First, I agree with you it won’t be there. But when you review the schedule who knows maybe one of those things listed is actually a cover for the reveal, also at the bottom of the page it says “subject to change.” This will just prove that everything he’s been saying is false.

https://naias.com/wp-content/uploads...nference12.pdf
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Anyone that pays any attention to anything that Zerv has to say probably think that the Arizona Cardinals are going to win the 2019 Super Bowl.
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Well Corvette has got to do something interesting since sales collapsed in 4Q2018: Down 37% and off 25% for all of 2018 to under 19,000.

Meanwhile, Porsche set a new record: "Porsche Cars North America Inc. said Thursday it had record U.S. retail sales in 2018, selling 57,202 vehicles, up 3.2% from the record set in 2017."

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Originally Posted by vetteman41960 View Post
I completely agree. Why would GM not hype the reveal.

It makes no sense from a marketing stand point to spring the car on the media and the Corvette faithful.

When GM is ready to intro the car you can bet it will have a similar lead up as Dodge did with the Demon.

I had no interest in the Demon but I still followed all the hints of what was coming because I am a car guy.

Dodge marketing did a great job with the hype.

GM seen that and like most all successful business marketing strategies GM will copy it to some degree.

I think Dodge seen GM roll the C7 out and took the marketing to another level when doing the Demon.

I hope I am wrong as like many I had my heart set in a January 19 reveal. I like nothing more to be totally wrong and we see the car in next 2 weeks.

"I had no interest in the Demon but I still followed all the hints of what was coming because I am a car guy."

hahahhaha me too... watching all the Demon videos...they released one by one, I loved it too...
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
Well Corvette has got to do something interesting since sales collapsed in 4Q2018: Down 37% and off 25% for all of 2018 to under 19,000.

Meanwhile, Porsche set a new record: "Porsche Cars North America Inc. said Thursday it had record U.S. retail sales in 2018, selling 57,202 vehicles, up 3.2% from the record set in 2017."
Yep...averaging 1303 per month is sales for the last 3 months of 2018 ain't good for the brand. The C7 ain't that long in the tooth(only 5 years in production), and overall light vehicle US sales are holding pretty steady at 17M. If that is what is expected in sales until a new model is actually available, the Corvette is in trouble.

GM better be hoping that all those lost sales of the C7 are from people ONLY waiting to see what the new model is(and it's price tag).

PS-Camaro sales are just as bad at -25% down from 2017 sales, and GM is betting the farm on EV's even though the Spark dropped 40.9% in the 4QTR and the Bolt dropped 30.9% in the 4QTR.

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So no GM press conference at NAIAS, and my true insiders, who are names that we have read and still read about on the mega automedia events/publications, often monthly, have not yet been invited..., know absolutely nothing about this.





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I want to see the car, but I would be disappointed if they just did a surprise reveal with no lead up. The way they teased the C7 with various release videos showing subtle little things was excellent. I wanted one so bad.
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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Yep...averaging 1303 per month is sales for the last 3 months of 2018 ain't good for the brand. The C7 ain't that long in the tooth(only 5 years in production), and overall light vehicle US sales are holding pretty steady at 17M. If that is what is expected in sales until a new model is actually available, the Corvette is in trouble.

GM better be hoping that all those lost sales of the C7 are from people ONLY waiting to see what the new model is(and it's price tag).

PS-Camaro sales are just as bad at -25% down from 2017 sales.
Joe this is 2019 and the Corvette has not had a single facelift or significant upgrade to an exciting model since it's introduction in late 2013.

So yea 5 years is long in the tooth. G.M has to know that after seeing the c6 and C7 tank in year 5 or so that it can no longer go 7 or 8 years without a model change and expect sales to hold.

Boy I wich I was old enough to remember when each model year brought a new and exciting design change from year to year.

I am a Corvette guy like you and it is easy to see the change in body's type and determine year with the C1 & C2 Corvette and even early C3.

Now it's hard to tell any difference when walking by a 2014 Stingray and a 2019 Stingray .

GM cannot possible believe that the C7 will ever return to the sale level of 14 15 & 16 .

No more 30k per year sold until next generation is available.

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Originally Posted by JoesC5 View Post
Yep...averaging 1303 per month is sales for the last 3 months of 2018 ain't good for the brand. The C7 ain't that long in the tooth(only 5 years in production), and overall light vehicle US sales are holding pretty steady at 17M. If that is what is expected in sales until a new model is actually available, the Corvette is in trouble.

GM better be hoping that all those lost sales of the C7 are from people ONLY waiting to see what the new model is(and it's price tag).

PS-Camaro sales are just as bad at -25% down from 2017 sales.
In the US, Porsche sold 789 911s in December, and 9647 for the year. They sold 237 Cayman/Boxsters in December and 5246 for the year. They sold 332 Panameras in December. That makes an average of 1303 C7s per month over the last 3 months look pretty good, but not by GM's standards.

Of the 57,202 units Porsche sold in the US in 2018, 34,237 were SAV/SUVs. 8K were 4-door sedans (Panameras).

2018 US Porsche Sales

Despite dramatic sales drops due to sagging interest and market saturation, C7s still outsold Porsche sports cars by a wide margin, because it beats Porsche by a wide margin on price. I've said it many times, but it bears repeating that the market for what are essentially 2-seat sports cars is very limited.

Porsche thrives on SAV/SUV sales.

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Joe this is 2019 and the Corvette has not had a single facelift or significant upgrade to an exciting model since it's introduction in late 2013.

So yea 5 years is long in the tooth. G.M has to know that after seeing the c6 and C7 tank in year 5 or so that it can no longer go 7 or 8 years without a model change and expect sales to hold.

Boy I wich I was old enough to remember when each model year brought a new and exciting design change from year to year.

I am a Corvette guy like you and it is easy to see the change in body's type and determine year with the C1 & C2 Corvette and even early C3.

Now it's hard to tell any difference when walking by a 2014 Stingray and a 2019 Stingray .

GM cannot possible believe that the C7 will ever return to the sale level of 14 15 & 16 .

No more 30k per year sold until next generation is available.

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Huh? They released the Stingray, then the Stingray Convertible, then the Z06 came out in 2015, then 2017 the Grand Sport in various flavors, then for this extended 2019 model run the King of the Hill ZR1. They've done quite a bit. The sales drop-off is perfectly normal and happens with every generation. GM has always wanted shorter runs. The C7 will have 6 model years (2014-2019) if the 2020 is the C8 which is ideal. The C4 went way way way long (read All Corvettes Are red) as the C5 was supposed to be a 1993 model. The C5 went 8 years and then the C6 went an extra few years because of the GM bankruptcy. Supposedly the C7 was supposed to come in 2010-2011. When GM got out of BK there were rumors that the C7 was a "stop gap" warmed over C6 while GM focused on a more radical C8. Reality is the C7 is a very nice evolution of the C5/6 platform and GM did a great job with the budget they had. The car has been a success... so the 6 year run to the C8 makes sense. Many thought it would be 4-5 max, but the sales success of the Z06/GS (offering all models in auto and vert options) has kept it on longer.
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