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Old 01-28-2019, 11:13 PM
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No new leaks... no new spy shots in a while... no new "insiders"... come on GM. We're tired of waiting, most of us have been following this project since the original spy shots surfaced when it had C7 doors and was testing with the then yet to be released C7 ZR1. I don't care if it doesn't start production until a year after the reveal, by all means take your time and make the car perfect. But please, unveil the car soon or at the VERY LEAST, give us our first teaser!! I just need to see what this car looks like inside and out, and the specs it's going to have!
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I agree, my mind was made up long ago that was supposed to be out this year. Waiting is brutal.
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Honestly I think GM should shut its trap and stop all the stupid phony "insider" leaks until it has something to say.

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Honestly I think GM should shut its trap and stop all the stupid phony "insider" leaks until it has something to say.
I wish they had just taken a page from the Euro supercar manufacturers and kept the car hidden until a few weeks before the reveal, teaser until the reveal and surprised us with it. It's not like they couldn't have done it, they have SO much land they can test on away from cameras and the public. Would have been awesome if they could have surprised us with it like Ford did with the new GT. Extra bonus points if they had stuck heavy camo on a C7 a few months before the C8 reveal to make us think that was the C8, and that it had just begun testing. Then, bam, ME C8 comes out a few months later! Way too late now...
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It's not like they couldn't have done it, they have SO much land they can test on away from cameras and the public. Would have been awesome if they could have surprised us with it like Ford did with the new GT.
The difference between the GT and the C8? Something on tbe order of about three people will ever use the GT on a daily basis, while thousands of C8 owners will. It is one thing to test what is effectively a street legal track car with about five options exclusively at a track, where NVH, comfort, and usability take a back seat to lap times, it is another thing completely to test a car that will have multiple trim levels and customizations out the rear there. Do you have any idea what goes into testing an HVAC system on the road, for example? They will literally get in the car in Detroit and drive it to Death Valley, it is very difficult to replicate something like that running around Milford for six days straight.

The proving grounds are big, they aren't that big. They're great for spot work on particular systems, they're not good for evaluating the car as a whole.
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Originally Posted by Zora_Vette View Post
...kept the car hidden until a few weeks before the reveal, teaser until the reveal and surprised us with it...
Bingo!
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Old 01-29-2019, 01:16 AM
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The difference between the GT and the C8? Something on tbe order of about three people will ever use the GT on a daily basis, while thousands of C8 owners will. It is one thing to test what is effectively a street legal track car with about five options exclusively at a track, where NVH, comfort, and usability take a back seat to lap times, it is another thing completely to test a car that will have multiple trim levels and customizations out the rear there. Do you have any idea what goes into testing an HVAC system on the road, for example? They will literally get in the car in Detroit and drive it to Death Valley, it is very difficult to replicate something like that running around Milford for six days straight.

The proving grounds are big, they aren't that big. They're great for spot work on particular systems, they're not good for evaluating the car as a whole.
Those statistics are very inaccurate. Your source is wrong. Plenty of GT owners are using their cars a lot. And your argument is also invalid. There is nothing they can not replicate at the proving grounds. Stop and go traffic? Get some more cars out there. Obstacle avoidance? Catch a deer in the woods and set it free in front of a C8 at the proving grounds
I could go on and on.
And yes, they certainly need to drive it in extreme climate conditions,but they can still do it privately.

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Also do you have any idea how much it costs in time and money, and how much of a PITA it is to ship cars from an engineering or build location to the various testing grounds? If you can drive it, it makes the job far easier, no matter how much a random person on the internet may obsess if someone sees it.
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Originally Posted by Sin City View Post
Honestly I think GM should shut its trap and stop all the stupid phony "insider" leaks until it has something to say.

Yup. And what makes this delay even worse is someone's thought that it may be a tactic to minimize the remaining C7s on the lots.

No matter how low a price gets, I am not interested in a C7. Period.

Reveal the f'king C8 already.
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Also do you have any idea how much it costs in time and money, and how much of a PITA it is to ship cars from an engineering or build location to the various testing grounds? If you can drive it, it makes the job far easier, no matter how much a random person on the internet may obsess if someone sees it.
Umm... they already do ship the cars to the proving grounds... that's the point of the proving grounds in the first place...
Driving it on public roads is far more dangerous than spending some money to ship a car.
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Originally Posted by WICKEDFRC View Post
Yup. And what makes this delay even worse is someone's thought that it may be a tactic to minimize the remaining C7s on the lots.

No matter how low a price gets, I am not interested in a C7. Period.

Reveal the f'king C8 already.
Agreed, that is another reason why we need this car unveiled soon. The crazy theories that pop up almost daily are so painful.
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Originally Posted by Zora_Vette View Post
Those statistics are very inaccurate. Your source is wrong. Plenty of GT owners are using their cars a lot. And your argument is also invalid. There is nothing they can not replicate at the proving grounds. Stop and go traffic? Get some more cars out there. Obstacle avoidance? Catch a deer in the woods and set it free in front of a C8 at the proving grounds
I could go on and on.
And yes, they certainly need to drive it in extreme climate conditions,but they can still do it privately.
Well my source is badge access to multiple proving grounds, and having been at a few more, so I'll trust my experience knowing what I can do there and all the other stuff you simply have to do in public.
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Well my source is badge access to multiple proving grounds, and having been at a few more, so I'll trust my experience knowing what I can do there and all the other stuff you simply have to do in public.
What are you talking about???
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Originally Posted by Zora_Vette View Post
What are you talking about???
Well, I thought the quote was pretty self explanatory, but since it isn't: I have access to multiple proving grounds, regularly test at three of them, and have been to a couple more. I know what one can and cannot do successfully at a proving grounds, and there is simply a LOT of stuff you cannot replicate there.

And no, driving a camo car in public is not "dangerous". Of course they are not allowed onto the public roads until certain systems and a certain maturity is reached, but that point is reached fairly early in the development cycle. From that point there are any number of groups and suppliers that need access to the vehicles to develop and validate their systems, and any number of them require a more real world environment than a proving grounds allows. Yes, there is a lot you can do at the proving grounds, but no, one cannot fully develop anything beyond a track car at one.
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Originally Posted by jefnvk View Post
Well, I thought the quote was pretty self explanatory, but since it isn't: I have access to multiple proving grounds, regularly test at three of them, and have been to a couple more. I know what one can and cannot do successfully at a proving grounds, and there is simply a LOT of stuff you cannot replicate there.

And no, driving a camo car in public is not "dangerous". Of course they are not allowed onto the public roads until certain systems and a certain maturity is reached, but that point is reached fairly early in the development cycle. From that point there are any number of groups and suppliers that need access to the vehicles to develop and validate their systems, and any number of them require a more real world environment than a proving grounds allows. Yes, there is a lot you can do at the proving grounds, but no, one cannot fully develop anything beyond a track car at one.
You're not making any sense. What are you talking about???
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Originally Posted by Zora_Vette View Post
No new leaks... no new spy shots in a while... no new "insiders"... come on GM. We're tired of waiting, most of us have been following this project since the original spy shots surfaced when it had C7 doors and was testing with the then yet to be released C7 ZR1. I don't care if it doesn't start production until a year after the reveal, by all means take your time and make the car perfect. But please, unveil the car soon or at the VERY LEAST, give us our first teaser!! I just need to see what this car looks like inside and out, and the specs it's going to have!
You forgot the first mule... the Holden Ute with the truck bed rear and C7 cabin. GM doesn't need to do anything... this is normal development cycle. They haven't formally acknowledged the car or started it's marketing. They're engineering an icon. People have been waiting 40 years for a mid-engine Corvette and they can't afford to mess it up.
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You're not making any sense. What are you talking about???
I really have no idea how to make my statement more clear. I develop cars. I work on camo cars, often in proving grounds. While they are great for tuning specific systems, and for doing things that would be illegal on public roads, I (and many others) cannot fully develop and validate our systems without driving the car on public roads, because proving grounds do not have anywhere near the variability you see in public. The GT was a limited edition, street legal track car, you can pull off development strictly in secrecy in something like that because your normal NVH and usability crap that people care about in a daily driver kinda goes out the window with such a vehicle. The Corvette is a performance oriented street car. If you don't want ****-poor reviews when people actually buy them and drive them 15,20,30000 miles in a year, you need to do development outside of a test track. Heck, how much bitching goes on here about Corvettes crappy interiors? That stuff can't be sorted out driving in circles around a race track.

If you want a good product, you cannot avoid prototypes in public, it is that simple.
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Patience is a virtue!!
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I really have no idea how to make my statement more clear. I develop cars. I work on camo cars, often in proving grounds. While they are great for tuning specific systems, and for doing things that would be illegal on public roads, I (and many others) cannot fully develop and validate our systems without driving the car on public roads, because proving grounds do not have anywhere near the variability you see in public. The GT was a limited edition, street legal track car, you can pull off development strictly in secrecy in something like that because your normal NVH and usability crap that people care about in a daily driver kinda goes out the window with such a vehicle. The Corvette is a performance oriented street car. If you don't want ****-poor reviews when people actually buy them and drive them 15,20,30000 miles in a year, you need to do development outside of a test track. Heck, how much bitching goes on here about Corvettes crappy interiors? That stuff can't be sorted out driving in circles around a race track.

If you want a good product, you cannot avoid prototypes in public, it is that simple.
Yep... repeat use cycles, getting in out over and over, jamming your fingers and elbows into things, bumpy roads, expansion joints, potholes, etc.
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Last September or October, Porsche released the first pictures and detailed descriptions of the new 911 dubbed the 992, which is not another upgrade to the 991, but a new iteration of the 911. The car was shown for the first time at the LA auto show at the end of November. Since then there have been articles about test drives. The car can be ordered next month. I wish GM would take the same approach with the C8.
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