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Old 02-02-2019, 10:37 PM
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If this is true then the first C8 ME's will be at the entry level price point, about $65K, when it comes out while the Z06 and ZR1 fill the higher price/performance gap for a couple of years.
uhm..

no.

they are not going to sell the 55k C7 alongside the "65k" C8.. try adding a 1 infront of the 65k..

Base will be a monster at 600hp and have track numbers higher then all current C7's..

Eventually they will add a 720s variant and that will be turbocharged..

The 3rd one will be the 1000hp hybrid.. this is not going to be anywhere near a 65k car. And if magic happened and it was .. why would they sell optioned stingrays for more then then base C8's ?? Makes 0 sense.

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Old 02-02-2019, 10:49 PM
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Yeah, who would want all that instant torque. Ugh, I hate going fast.
Instant torque until the battery is dead, and then the car and you sit around while it charges.
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Old 02-02-2019, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ViperFan1 View Post
uhm..

no.

they are not going to sell the 55k C7 alongside the "65k" C8.. try adding a 1 infront of the 65k..

Base will be a monster at 600hp and have track numbers higher then all current C7's..

Eventually they will add a 720s variant and that will be turbocharged..

The 3rd one will be the 1000hp hybrid.. this is not going to be anywhere near a 65k car. And if magic happened and it was .. why would they sell optioned stingrays for more then then base C8's ?? Makes 0 sense.
Zerv, is that you?
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Old 02-03-2019, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ViperFan1 View Post
uhm..

no.

they are not going to sell the 55k C7 alongside the "65k" C8.. try adding a 1 infront of the 65k..

Base will be a monster at 600hp and have track numbers higher then all current C7's..

Eventually they will add a 720s variant and that will be turbocharged..

The 3rd one will be the 1000hp hybrid.. this is not going to be anywhere near a 65k car. And if magic happened and it was .. why would they sell optioned stingrays for more then then base C8's ?? Makes 0 sense.
I smell opportunity. You think Chevrolet is going to turn their back on heritage? Are you for real? So you can honestly suggest that the base C8 is $155,000 and leave in their wake a half century of loyalists? The brand exists to offer a domestic answer to the elitists supercars at a middle income offering. And 600+ hp at base? So that happens with what NA engine? No again. Youíre in supercharged territory which isnít likely to happen with the base. Iíll put my money where my mouth is. Whatchu got?
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Old 02-03-2019, 01:35 AM
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I smell opportunity. You think Chevrolet is going to turn their back on heritage? Are you for real? So you can honestly suggest that the base C8 is $155,000 and leave in their wake a half century of loyalists? The brand exists to offer a domestic answer to the elitists supercars at a middle income offering. And 600+ hp at base? So that happens with what NA engine? No again. Youíre in supercharged territory which isnít likely to happen with the base. Iíll put my money where my mouth is. Whatchu got?
Good points, but around my city it's a given the dealers will go a lot higher then MSRP. I see it everyday.
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Old 02-03-2019, 01:03 PM
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After a year or more of speculation and wild guesses I think C&D may have it right.. It just makes the most sense for GM. I think the C7 Stingray, Z51 & GS will end production, the Z06 will continue as a C7 for another year or two in the $80K- $90K range.
It will be built together with the new ME Stingray base unit priced in the $65K to $75K range.. I think its also possible that a nicely equipped ME base unit selling at sticker will cost as much or more then a high powered Z06 C7 making the Z06 more desirable to some fans especially if it's discounted.... Call this just another wild guess....

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Old 02-03-2019, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by range96 View Post
I noticed you turned down your tone a bit. You called this "crazy theories", "ignorant", "naive" before. If C&D's claim turns out to be true you might as well crawl under a rock somewhere.
That's not true at all.

I've studiously avoided actual firm predictions for the most part. I have laid out a number of arguments why a LONG TERM dual FE and ME strategy doesn't make sense given the limited 2-seat sports car market, and the fact it it will increase the cost of producing both models. I've laid out arguments based upon sales numbers as to why a Corvette ME base car starting over $100K does not makes sense. That's entirely different than saying it won't happen, because we've seen both GM and other manufacturers fail with bad decisions in the past. Starting with a base car, and teasing customers with monster cars to come later IS the Corvette model.

The C&D article lays out a SHORT TERM scenario, which may or may not prove to be correct, which I also note. That's no change in my thinking. I've said a short term overlap is possible several times over the last several months in posts here.

I have also carefully written my remarks along the lines of, "I would be very surprised if . . . " I have also said many times, "I've seen companies make bad decisions before and suffer the consequences."

Anyone with decent reading comprehension will be able to go back and read my remarks, and I'm pretty sure they will stand the test of time. I won't be "crawling under a rock," but there are plenty of people who likely will because they have been saying certain things WILL HAPPEN. I don't do that.

The C&D prediction is that a base ME will debut, and C7 Z06 and ZR1 may continue SHORT TERM to temporarily fill the higher performance gap and be discontinued later when higher-end ME's appear. That is the exact opposite of the prevalent theory here that a low cost FE will continue LONG TERM, and ME will be exclusively high cost. My guess is a lot of folks will disappear as a result of that prediction.

The English language is complex. You have to read carefully to really understand it. Most folks here don't.

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Old 02-04-2019, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by smithers View Post
Nah, not that soon. The only all electric car GM has made so far is the Bolt (lol). They are far far away from building some all electric supercar-ish vehicle.
Oh how soon we forget. GM produced and made available to the public an all electric car from 1996-1999, the EV1. It was a stand out car for its time and many owners wanted to keep them at their lease end, but were not allowed to.
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Old 02-04-2019, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Foosh View Post
That's not true at all.

I've studiously avoided actual firm predictions for the most part. I have laid out a number of arguments why a LONG TERM dual FE and ME strategy doesn't make sense given the limited 2-seat sports car market, and the fact it it will increase the cost of producing both models. I've laid out arguments based upon sales numbers as to why a Corvette ME base car starting over $100K does not makes sense. That's entirely different than saying it won't happen, because we've seen both GM and other manufacturers fail with bad decisions in the past. Starting with a base car, and teasing customers with monster cars to come later IS the Corvette model.

The C&D article lays out a SHORT TERM scenario, which may or may not prove to be correct, which I also note. That's no change in my thinking. I've said a short term overlap is possible several times over the last several months in posts here.

I have also carefully written my remarks along the lines of, "I would be very surprised if . . . " I have also said many times, "I've seen companies make bad decisions before and suffer the consequences."

Anyone with decent reading comprehension will be able to go back and read my remarks, and I'm pretty sure they will stand the test of time. I won't be "crawling under a rock," but there are plenty of people who likely will because they have been saying certain things WILL HAPPEN. I don't do that.

The C&D prediction is that a base ME will debut, and C7 Z06 and ZR1 may continue SHORT TERM to temporarily fill the higher performance gap and be discontinued later when higher-end ME's appear. That is the exact opposite of the prevalent theory here that a low cost FE will continue LONG TERM, and ME will be exclusively high cost. My guess is a lot of folks will disappear as a result of that prediction.

The English language is complex. You have to read carefully to really understand it. Most folks here don't.
My assumption for the short term all along was that the C7 ZR1 will be built past March 31, 2019. I also assumed that it may continue as a 2020 model (we still don't know about that for sure). Originally, I was planning to replace my 2010 ZR1 with a 2020 ZR1. Obviously, if the C7 ZR1 is going to be a one-year car I would have to change my plans. The jury is still out. The "crawling under the rock" is harsh, but so is calling others "ignorant" and "naive" who have different views from yours.
We don't even know GM's short term plans for certain, so speculating on their long term plans is even less certain. Since we're doing it, I wouldn't rule out the simultaneous FE and ME offering. Yes, it would be more costly and more complex, but if it makes more money for GM, GM will do it. It would be cheaper not to offer a manual transmission in the C7 line, yet it is available.
Bottom line, I do have a dog in this race and I'm listening to others' opinion to formulate my own. As far as GM's plans for models? That's been decided long ago, we just don't know what they are. And if we knew them, GM could change them as they see fit.
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Old 02-04-2019, 12:37 PM
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"Ignorant" means uninformed, which I am about a lot things, and I don't consider it an insult. It simply means an individual has not educated themselves on a particular subject, and ignorance is not a synonym for "stupidity." "Naive" has a similar connotation. I am also naive about things I've never been exposed to.

I don't often use those terms in public discourse, because I like this forum to be a platform for civil discussion, and those words are perceived as "harsh" by many. I have been guilty of using them on a few occasions here with a few individuals I've become particularly frustrated with because of their continuous repetition of speculation that they are characterizing as fact. I will try to restrain from doing so in the future.

I agree we don't know much for certain, and my observations have been almost exclusively about what logic, past practice, economic, marketing, and sales principles, among other variables, dictate to be more or less plausible scenarios. I don't state my views as facts, simply educated guesses.

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This is sort of old news. C&D forecast the co production of the C7 and C8 at least 2 years ago and it seems the story hasn't changed. The only thing I see different is the possibility the C7 Z06 will continue with the C7ZR1 Vs the C7ZR1 by itself. As for the people that think a mid engine car will be more expensive there is no rationale to support that. They can use the same production line they have now with maybe different carriers for the vehicles and all they do is send different parts through the parts delivery system so they get to the proper workstation at the correct time. Assembly time (labor hours) and parts costs will be the about the same. I doubt the people in the plant are unable to assemble two different vehicles as long as the procedures are documented and they are trained.

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Originally Posted by Foosh View Post
The C&D article lays out a SHORT TERM scenario, which may or may not prove to be correct, which I also note. That's no change in my thinking. I've said a short term overlap is possible several times over the last several months in posts here.
I agree, most of the scenarios here have had the FE being a redesigned C8, considerably different from C&D's C7 temporary performance line holdover theory.

From a business standpoint, I still can't personally see the C&D holding much weight for any length of time. As I mentioned before, it is my opinion that anyone who wants a performance C7 already has one, and as soon as the C8 is released the plant and the orders are going to be heavily in its favor. Maybe some customer specific orders will trickle in for holdover C7 ZR1 or Z06 models, but I can't see dealers stocking them in any significant numbers with a ME on offer.

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Old 02-04-2019, 04:02 PM
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^ Agreed.
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I would take whatever C&D says with a grain of salt. In the past, they've often been as accurate as ZERV02. Not saying they are wrong now, but they want clicks too. It's all speculation until GM speaks....nothing more.
This guy gets it. It's all bullshit until hm SATA it, and it's a "swerve"when c&d is wrong (and made a bunch of money off the clicks).
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I am more curious of the % of C8 owners with white knee high socks, white sneakers, tucked in "Corvette" shirt into their shorts, Greg Norman hat, and tacky gold jewelry that also has "Corvette" in at least one spot vs those with the same attire who own C7's.


I'm going with the magic # of 500 hp and 480 tq. 0-60 of 3.8 second day and 1/4 of [email protected]

If it does that with a manual tranny I will buy one.
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C&D? Can we say fake news? I donít believe everything C&D says. And donít Forget all those unsold C7 Ďvettes sitting on lots. Their sales are dropping drastically. If the speculation about the performance of the base C8 is correct, it will equal the C7 Z06. So, who is gonna buy a carry over C7 Z06 then?
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Then again, in year 3 or 4 or 5 we could see all electric Z06's & ZR1's. Do you think its possible the last of the C7's could be the sad end of the gas powered super Corvettes? Hope not.....
Absolutely not. Who would buy that garbage?
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Absolutely not. Who would buy that garbage?
Northern Californians.

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It would be great but I don't know if a roughly 500-550hp LT1/LT2 simply placed in ME setup will bring the C7 Stingray's 0-60 time from 3.7 sec down to 3 sec in the C8. Most likely the C8 will weigh more than the C7 also. I know the C8 will put the power down better, but looking at the NSX with 573/476 and AWD does 0-60 in 3.1 secs in most real life tests along with 11.3 sec 1/4 mile.

Will the C8 Stingray/Base have as much power as the NSX and AWD? I can see the C8 having anywhere from 500-525hp, but that's not going to get you to C7 Z06 territory.
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NSX is a primarily metal-bodied car, which weighs 3900 lbs or a good 500 lbs. more than a C7 base and 300 lbs more than a Z06, although they do use SMC for fenders and trunk. It has a lot of luxury features in it, which along with the hybrid technology adds a lot of weight.

C7 SMC and carbon fiber panels save a lot of weight, and it's a safe bet the ME will also weigh a lot less. There is nothing inherent in an ME design that necessarily makes it heavier.

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