Corvette C8 vs. Tesla Roadster?!
02-21-2019, 11:07 AM
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Tesla makes great cars. Corvettes are great cars. Corvette will eventually go ybrid and then electric...along with every other car. Neither will hurt the other as they are two completely different markets. Tesla has a great quarter-mile but it is just a party trick. They are not sports cars and would lose to a Honda Civic on a race track. But they will get better and one day they will have a great sports car. By then though, who knows what portion of the audience Tesla will be marketing to, or Corvette for that matter. It'll all be fine.
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joseanMD (02-27-2019)
02-21-2019, 12:36 PM
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Exactly. Many of us here have the means to get a Tesla, some might even own them but remember that the Corvette is usually not the most expensive car in our the stable and we chose that pushrod because its hard to beat the sound and thrill of a bucking, raw, brutal V8. Sure, there may be a whole lotta fancy, trendy and expensive foods out there but it's hard to go wrong with that perfect cut of steak.
One doesn't go to the latest Sushi House for a Porterhouse/Ribeye - Comparing these two cars is losing sight of what these cars mean for their individual market.
One doesn't go to the latest Sushi House for a Porterhouse/Ribeye - Comparing these two cars is losing sight of what these cars mean for their individual market.
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joseanMD (02-27-2019)
02-21-2019, 01:19 PM
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Based on reading the forum, the important deciding question should not be which is faster, it is which can carry two golf bags and/or the entire clothes closet for a weekend getaway for two?
If the Roadster can really go 620 miles, it will be compelling. The second question will be can it run a 30 to 60 minute track session without cooking its batteries? The 24 hour race qualifier is not realistic since I'd bet 0.000001% of the forum (or Corvette owners in general) take part in 24 hour races.
If the Roadster can really go 620 miles, it will be compelling. The second question will be can it run a 30 to 60 minute track session without cooking its batteries? The 24 hour race qualifier is not realistic since I'd bet 0.000001% of the forum (or Corvette owners in general) take part in 24 hour races.
While it will do more laps than the Tesla at full chat, how about the C7Z not being able to do a full 20 minute HPDE?
I expect I will replace my full HCI C6Z (201.2 MPH at Mojave) with a C8 ME some day.
02-21-2019, 03:34 PM
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I thought the new track being built was in Anna/Whitewright area? Where in Allen could it be? It's all houses and businesses!
02-21-2019, 03:49 PM
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The exit onto the back stretch used to throw my car off the track if I took the best line, so I always had to late apex it. I haven't driven that track since... 2012 I think. Maybe even 2011 when I went to CR school there. The previous owners were total dicks too.
I thought the new track being built was in Anna/Whitewright area? Where in Allen could it be? It's all houses and businesses!
I thought the new track being built was in Anna/Whitewright area? Where in Allen could it be? It's all houses and businesses!
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vndkshn (02-25-2019)
02-21-2019, 06:04 PM
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Not Lemons or Chump car. Firestone Firehawk (IMSA) and SCCA enduros - real racing.
VW GTI 16V and various Miatas at Watkins Glen, West Palm Beach and Nelson Ledges. We won OA in 2008 at NL, came two laps short of setting an all-time distance record for that event, 1990 miles.
02-21-2019, 07:07 PM
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Well, here is the deal, if GM comes out with a super Corvette C8 ZR1 at 1000hp and still run 0-60 to at 2.6-2.8 secs, valued at $150k?! Why not get the Tesla Roadster that does 0-60 at less than 1.9 secs, it looks awesome, and +250 top speed, w/ 620mile range? (see roadster info, https://www.tesla.com/roadster)
I mean I love the Corvette, particularly my C7 but, that Tesla Roadster is a sexy mean fast machine! Potential C8 pricing aside, what would make the difference between the Tesla Roadster and the Corvette C8 in terms of perfomance? That Tesla would beat hands down all Ferraris, Lambo's and Buggatis out there at $200k isn't it a steal!? When the C8 Mid Engine Vette comes out, what features could make the C8 better than this Tesla vehicle? Should GM totally reconsider and build the C8 as an EV? or have a fully electric C8 Corvette 3-4 years down the road?
Anyway, I have so many questions... I know we don't have all the C8 answers yet, but could you please let me know what you think? thanks!
I mean I love the Corvette, particularly my C7 but, that Tesla Roadster is a sexy mean fast machine! Potential C8 pricing aside, what would make the difference between the Tesla Roadster and the Corvette C8 in terms of perfomance? That Tesla would beat hands down all Ferraris, Lambo's and Buggatis out there at $200k isn't it a steal!? When the C8 Mid Engine Vette comes out, what features could make the C8 better than this Tesla vehicle? Should GM totally reconsider and build the C8 as an EV? or have a fully electric C8 Corvette 3-4 years down the road?
Anyway, I have so many questions... I know we don't have all the C8 answers yet, but could you please let me know what you think? thanks!
i would take the non hybrid Corvette even if it was massively slower especially if it was available with a stick
just me though
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02-21-2019, 07:35 PM
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Tesla shares fall 2% today on new quality problems...
Consumer Reports said Thursday it no longer recommends the Tesla Model 3 after reviewing a high number of problems with their cars, including issues with its body hardware, paint and trim. CR members, the magazine said, reported the results in its annual reliability survey, which includes data on about 470,000 vehicles.
As a brand, Tesla fell 11 spots to No. 19 out of 33 brands ranked by Consumer Reports. Tesla is tied with Chrysler for having the biggest drop in brand rankings in this year’s auto issue.
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02-21-2019, 07:58 PM
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No to the Tesla. First, it is purely ugly. They have a lot of work to do to make it something I would be proud to drive. Second, I would not believe any performance data that Tesla puts out until it has been tested by the car magazines, especially that 600+ mile range. Third, Tesla's quality has been taking a severe hit recently and I wouldn't pay that kind of money for a Tesla even if I didn't like the C8 - I would go with a McLaren!
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joseanMD (02-27-2019)
02-21-2019, 08:24 PM
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No to the Tesla. First, it is purely ugly. They have a lot of work to do to make it something I would be proud to drive. Second, I would not believe any performance data that Tesla puts out until it has been tested by the car magazines, especially that 600+ mile range. Third, Tesla's quality has been taking a severe hit recently and I wouldn't pay that kind of money for a Tesla even if I didn't like the C8 - I would go with a McLaren!
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joseanMD (02-27-2019)
02-22-2019, 01:45 AM
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The 600 mile range is no problem, as it's simply two 100kW packs, wherein a a 74kW pack in the Model 3 gets 310 mile range. 335 miles for the heavier Model S w/a 100kW pack. I still don't see the point of having a 600 mile range with a sports car of that caliber, but the math is simple and doesn't lie. 600 miles off 200kW is easy.
02-22-2019, 07:38 AM
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02-22-2019, 10:53 AM
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Regardless of how we feel as individuals, Electric is the future. In the same way buggy markers are farriers said the horseless carriage was a fad, I see history repeating itself w/ the gasoline combustion engine aficionados. With ranges increasing and prices dropping more and more people will transition to electric. IMO, It won't happen overnight but as charging stations start to pop up in more places it will happen eventually.
The "Achilles Heel" to electric is our power grid. If it goes down we would be screwed as a electric transportation nation. One reason I have not picked up an electric as a second car. Florida Hurricanes and 10 day power outages. In a perfect world, every house would be solar powered (so a power grid would be unnecessary), but that ain't gonna happen w/ corporations invested in power distribution and oil.
The "Achilles Heel" to electric is our power grid. If it goes down we would be screwed as a electric transportation nation. One reason I have not picked up an electric as a second car. Florida Hurricanes and 10 day power outages. In a perfect world, every house would be solar powered (so a power grid would be unnecessary), but that ain't gonna happen w/ corporations invested in power distribution and oil.
Tesla: Weak Model 3 Demand In Europe And China May Widen Losses In 2019
SummaryTesla's Model 3 sales appear to have peaked out in the US, but the company is counting on Europe & China to pick up the slack in 2019.
But European orders for the Model 3 are only at 17,044 units currently, despite having invited non-reservation holders 3 weeks after configurations started on December 7th.
In China, auto demand is weak and competition from NIO is stiff. Tesla has dropped its Model 3 price three times, yet only has several hundred orders.
The cash-cow Model S is in the 7th year of its cycle and Tesla can't afford a full-model change. Volume and prices should fall, adding to the pricing pressures from the Model 3.
Tesla could approach Musk's stated target of 350,000 to 500,000 Model 3s this year if it launches the $35,000 variant immediately. Otherwise, the Model 3 volumes will miss. But at $35,000, Tesla will likely lose money on the Model 3, causing wider losses than last year.
But European orders for the Model 3 are only at 17,044 units currently, despite having invited non-reservation holders 3 weeks after configurations started on December 7th.
In China, auto demand is weak and competition from NIO is stiff. Tesla has dropped its Model 3 price three times, yet only has several hundred orders.
The cash-cow Model S is in the 7th year of its cycle and Tesla can't afford a full-model change. Volume and prices should fall, adding to the pricing pressures from the Model 3.
Tesla could approach Musk's stated target of 350,000 to 500,000 Model 3s this year if it launches the $35,000 variant immediately. Otherwise, the Model 3 volumes will miss. But at $35,000, Tesla will likely lose money on the Model 3, causing wider losses than last year.
02-22-2019, 11:05 AM
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The 600 mile range is no problem, as it's simply two 100kW packs, wherein a a 74kW pack in the Model 3 gets 310 mile range. 335 miles for the heavier Model S w/a 100kW pack. I still don't see the point of having a 600 mile range with a sports car of that caliber, but the math is simple and doesn't lie. 600 miles off 200kW is easy.
02-22-2019, 11:10 AM
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02-22-2019, 11:22 AM
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The 600 mile range is no problem, as it's simply two 100kW packs, wherein a a 74kW pack in the Model 3 gets 310 mile range. 335 miles for the heavier Model S w/a 100kW pack. I still don't see the point of having a 600 mile range with a sports car of that caliber, but the math is simple and doesn't lie. 600 miles off 200kW is easy.
Tesla has been hyping the Roadster's straight line acceleration because they know good and well a 6000 lb car ain't going to hang with a 3500 lb car in the corners.
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02-22-2019, 11:47 AM
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Very NEWB way to judge a sports car is by 0 to 60 times. Drag cars, yes. Sports cars, no. There's much more to a car's performance than 0 to 60 times.
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02-22-2019, 12:38 PM
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The ginormous battery pack isn't there for range, it's there for specific power output. You can only discharge a battery so fast before it will destroy itself from the heat. So to get the power needed to shoot a 6000 pound "roadster" to 0-60 in 1.9 seconds and run a top speed of 200+ mph, you need a 200kW battery pack.
Tesla has been hyping the Roadster's straight line acceleration because they know good and well a 6000 lb car ain't going to hang with a 3500 lb car in the corners.
Tesla has been hyping the Roadster's straight line acceleration because they know good and well a 6000 lb car ain't going to hang with a 3500 lb car in the corners.