Why the Mid-Engine Corvette Will Devour the 911
03-07-2019, 10:51 PM
#101
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Neither my C7 or 911 have been plagued by either. Both have been rock solid. However, I am sure not everyone is as fortunate. I do know JD Powers ranks Porsche at the top year after year. So it appears that overall, Porsche 911 owners express greater satisfaction with their cars than Corvette owners. With that said, Chevrolet has done a nice job in trying to diminish the gap.
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03-07-2019, 11:05 PM
#102
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03-08-2019, 01:49 AM
#103
It is becoming increasingly clear that as for the 2017 911 S 3.1 derangement is concerned, the "Porsche camp" intends to deliberately forgo rational, short and effective counterarguments and continue to dump marketing from a company that to date had executives arrested and charged among others for: ENTRY OF GOODS BY FALSE STATEMENTS.
Stating the 2017 911 S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds is a FALSE STATEMENT.
The fact that "believers" of this FALSE STATEMENT continue to resort to name calling, and hundreds of inconsequential words as a argument in support of this false statement illustrates two simple things:
1. a lack of common sense and basic automotive technical knowledge to assemble a simple yet effective and CREDIBLE explanation and
2. because of 1. the desperate search and splatter of free marketing references (see 0to60.com you get what you pay for) due to a complete incapacity to internally rationalize and make sense of data within a real world context.
This is Porsche marketing intoxication.
A basically entry level 2017 911 S (launched in 2016) with 414 HP (power) and 352 ft-lb (torque) weighting 3300 pounds claiming the same or better acceleration numbers THAN ALL CARS with double the power, torque and lighter to boot BECAUSE...……….. of SPECIAL MARKETING.
I suggest getting a grip and detoxing because at this rate of Porsche 45% marketing embellishing the 2019 911 S is in 2.1 0-60 territory and the 2020 GT2RS in sub one second territory and at that point may as well call it brand death by marketing overdose.
Maybe the 911 is there already.....
TIME TO MOVE ON!
Cheers
Stating the 2017 911 S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds is a FALSE STATEMENT.
The fact that "believers" of this FALSE STATEMENT continue to resort to name calling, and hundreds of inconsequential words as a argument in support of this false statement illustrates two simple things:
1. a lack of common sense and basic automotive technical knowledge to assemble a simple yet effective and CREDIBLE explanation and
2. because of 1. the desperate search and splatter of free marketing references (see 0to60.com you get what you pay for) due to a complete incapacity to internally rationalize and make sense of data within a real world context.
This is Porsche marketing intoxication.
A basically entry level 2017 911 S (launched in 2016) with 414 HP (power) and 352 ft-lb (torque) weighting 3300 pounds claiming the same or better acceleration numbers THAN ALL CARS with double the power, torque and lighter to boot BECAUSE...……….. of SPECIAL MARKETING.
I suggest getting a grip and detoxing because at this rate of Porsche 45% marketing embellishing the 2019 911 S is in 2.1 0-60 territory and the 2020 GT2RS in sub one second territory and at that point may as well call it brand death by marketing overdose.
Maybe the 911 is there already.....
TIME TO MOVE ON!
Cheers
Last edited by Telepierre; 03-08-2019 at 02:02 AM.
03-08-2019, 07:08 AM
#104
Huge car guy, mechanic, technician and enthusiast but one brand I've always hated, Porsche.
The new C8 simply doesn't compare to this fire hazard celebrity beetle vagon. They have repeatedly been met with discord by heavy hitting journalists such as Jeremy Clarkson who has continued to bash the 911 from day one.
From an iconic racing company that was the first to cannibalize itself into the SUV segment, built upon an air cooled generation, only to contradict themselves at every corner and somehow manage to turn their cheapest Fraulein Boxster-mobile into the best looking car they sell. That's a sensible marketing strategy, if your a celebrity and know nothing about cars which best describes the Porsche marque.
Don't get me started on the endless bankruptcy threats, IMS bearing nightmare and complete lack of engine bays.
I could go on forever but seriously no comparison. C8 is 60 years in the making, over 12 concept cars. The active aero alone will leave Porsche scratching their heads.
The new C8 simply doesn't compare to this fire hazard celebrity beetle vagon. They have repeatedly been met with discord by heavy hitting journalists such as Jeremy Clarkson who has continued to bash the 911 from day one.
From an iconic racing company that was the first to cannibalize itself into the SUV segment, built upon an air cooled generation, only to contradict themselves at every corner and somehow manage to turn their cheapest Fraulein Boxster-mobile into the best looking car they sell. That's a sensible marketing strategy, if your a celebrity and know nothing about cars which best describes the Porsche marque.
Don't get me started on the endless bankruptcy threats, IMS bearing nightmare and complete lack of engine bays.
I could go on forever but seriously no comparison. C8 is 60 years in the making, over 12 concept cars. The active aero alone will leave Porsche scratching their heads.
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03-08-2019, 09:42 AM
#105
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It is becoming increasingly clear that as for the 2017 911 S 3.1 derangement is concerned, the "Porsche camp" intends to deliberately forgo rational, short and effective counterarguments and continue to dump marketing from a company that to date had executives arrested and charged among others for: ENTRY OF GOODS BY FALSE STATEMENTS.
Stating the 2017 911 S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds is a FALSE STATEMENT.
The fact that "believers" of this FALSE STATEMENT continue to resort to name calling, and hundreds of inconsequential words as a argument in support of this false statement illustrates two simple things:
1. a lack of common sense and basic automotive technical knowledge to assemble a simple yet effective and CREDIBLE explanation and
2. because of 1. the desperate search and splatter of free marketing references (see 0to60.com you get what you pay for) due to a complete incapacity to internally rationalize and make sense of data within a real world context.
This is Porsche marketing intoxication.
A basically entry level 2017 911 S (launched in 2016) with 414 HP (power) and 352 ft-lb (torque) weighting 3300 pounds claiming the same or better acceleration numbers THAN ALL CARS with double the power, torque and lighter to boot BECAUSE...……….. of SPECIAL MARKETING.
I suggest getting a grip and detoxing because at this rate of Porsche 45% marketing embellishing the 2019 911 S is in 2.1 0-60 territory and the 2020 GT2RS in sub one second territory and at that point may as well call it brand death by marketing overdose.
Maybe the 911 is there already.....
TIME TO MOVE ON!
Cheers
Stating the 2017 911 S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds is a FALSE STATEMENT.
The fact that "believers" of this FALSE STATEMENT continue to resort to name calling, and hundreds of inconsequential words as a argument in support of this false statement illustrates two simple things:
1. a lack of common sense and basic automotive technical knowledge to assemble a simple yet effective and CREDIBLE explanation and
2. because of 1. the desperate search and splatter of free marketing references (see 0to60.com you get what you pay for) due to a complete incapacity to internally rationalize and make sense of data within a real world context.
This is Porsche marketing intoxication.
A basically entry level 2017 911 S (launched in 2016) with 414 HP (power) and 352 ft-lb (torque) weighting 3300 pounds claiming the same or better acceleration numbers THAN ALL CARS with double the power, torque and lighter to boot BECAUSE...……….. of SPECIAL MARKETING.
I suggest getting a grip and detoxing because at this rate of Porsche 45% marketing embellishing the 2019 911 S is in 2.1 0-60 territory and the 2020 GT2RS in sub one second territory and at that point may as well call it brand death by marketing overdose.
Maybe the 911 is there already.....
TIME TO MOVE ON!
Cheers
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03-08-2019, 10:00 AM
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You exhibit denial in the most classic context. I, and other corvette forum members have provided the information necessary to support the 3.1 times posted by a current generation 911 C2S.....and it’s not coming from Porsche as you continually babble about. Get over it and accept the facts. Case closed!
03-08-2019, 10:20 AM
#107
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It is becoming increasingly clear that as for the 2017 911 S 3.1 derangement is concerned, the "Porsche camp" intends to deliberately forgo rational, short and effective counterarguments and continue to dump marketing from a company that to date had executives arrested and charged among others for: ENTRY OF GOODS BY FALSE STATEMENTS.
Stating the 2017 911 S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds is a FALSE STATEMENT.
The fact that "believers" of this FALSE STATEMENT continue to resort to name calling, and hundreds of inconsequential words as a argument in support of this false statement illustrates two simple things:
1. a lack of common sense and basic automotive technical knowledge to assemble a simple yet effective and CREDIBLE explanation and
2. because of 1. the desperate search and splatter of free marketing references (see 0to60.com you get what you pay for) due to a complete incapacity to internally rationalize and make sense of data within a real world context.
This is Porsche marketing intoxication.
A basically entry level 2017 911 S (launched in 2016) with 414 HP (power) and 352 ft-lb (torque) weighting 3300 pounds claiming the same or better acceleration numbers THAN ALL CARS with double the power, torque and lighter to boot BECAUSE...……….. of SPECIAL MARKETING.
I suggest getting a grip and detoxing because at this rate of Porsche 45% marketing embellishing the 2019 911 S is in 2.1 0-60 territory and the 2020 GT2RS in sub one second territory and at that point may as well call it brand death by marketing overdose.
Maybe the 911 is there already.....
TIME TO MOVE ON!
Cheers
Stating the 2017 911 S does 0-60 in 3.1 seconds is a FALSE STATEMENT.
The fact that "believers" of this FALSE STATEMENT continue to resort to name calling, and hundreds of inconsequential words as a argument in support of this false statement illustrates two simple things:
1. a lack of common sense and basic automotive technical knowledge to assemble a simple yet effective and CREDIBLE explanation and
2. because of 1. the desperate search and splatter of free marketing references (see 0to60.com you get what you pay for) due to a complete incapacity to internally rationalize and make sense of data within a real world context.
This is Porsche marketing intoxication.
A basically entry level 2017 911 S (launched in 2016) with 414 HP (power) and 352 ft-lb (torque) weighting 3300 pounds claiming the same or better acceleration numbers THAN ALL CARS with double the power, torque and lighter to boot BECAUSE...……….. of SPECIAL MARKETING.
I suggest getting a grip and detoxing because at this rate of Porsche 45% marketing embellishing the 2019 911 S is in 2.1 0-60 territory and the 2020 GT2RS in sub one second territory and at that point may as well call it brand death by marketing overdose.
Maybe the 911 is there already.....
TIME TO MOVE ON!
Cheers
03-08-2019, 10:26 AM
#108
Melting Slicks
Oh......I expect one, and I actually look forward to them as they are always entertaining! Low hanging fruit at its finest. You can always count on support from his sidekick. Remind me of two self appointed superheroes that are on a mission to save the Corvette world from all that threatens their empire! LOL.
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03-08-2019, 10:47 AM
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Oh......I expect one, and I actually look forward to them as they are always entertaining! Low hanging fruit at its finest. You can always count on support from his sidekick. Remind me of two self appointed superheroes that are on a mission to save the Corvette world from all that threatens their empire! LOL.
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03-08-2019, 10:51 AM
#110
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Model
Horsepower
0-60 MPH Time
911 Carrera3704.4 seconds911 Targa 4 370 4.5 seconds
911 Turbo 540 2.9 seconds w/ Sport Chrono
911 GTS 450 3.9 seconds
911 GT3 50 03.2 seconds
911 R 500 3.7 seconds
This is yet another set of 2017 911 family stats easily found that are wildly different than your fanboy fantasies. Please note that the GTS which sports 450HP vs your S at 420HP posts 3.9 seconds 0-60. So we have test results showing a 2017 911 GTS with 30 more HP runs nearly a full second slower than your 911 S.
03-08-2019, 11:09 AM
#111
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Model
Horsepower
0-60 MPH Time
911 Carrera3704.4 seconds911 Targa 4 370 4.5 seconds
911 Turbo 540 2.9 seconds w/ Sport Chrono
911 GTS 450 3.9 seconds
911 GT3 50 03.2 seconds
911 R 500 3.7 seconds
This is yet another set of 2017 911 family stats easily found that are wildly different than your fanboy fantasies. Please note that the GTS which sports 450HP vs your S at 420HP posts 3.9 seconds 0-60. So we have test results showing a 2017 911 GTS with 30 more HP runs nearly a full second slower than your 911 S.
03-08-2019, 11:20 AM
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Model
Horsepower
0-60 MPH Time
911 Carrera3704.4 seconds911 Targa 4 370 4.5 seconds
911 Turbo 540 2.9 seconds w/ Sport Chrono
911 GTS 450 3.9 seconds
911 GT3 50 03.2 seconds
911 R 500 3.7 seconds
This is yet another set of 2017 911 family stats easily found that are wildly different than your fanboy fantasies. Please note that the GTS which sports 450HP vs your S at 420HP posts 3.9 seconds 0-60. So we have test results showing a 2017 911 GTS with 30 more HP runs nearly a full second slower than your 911 S.
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03-08-2019, 11:36 AM
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Please provide the link. Also know that not every driver can extract what the car is capable of or are the conditions conducive. The same is true for any car...but again you already know that. The C7 Z06 is a 2.95 car with the right driver in optimum conditions, however the majority will never be able to match that time. Does that make it untrue....no. We wouldn’t need a fast list if everyone could hit the same time. Get real.
03-08-2019, 11:46 AM
#114
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Sorry if this was posted earlier, I don't have time to read back over all 6 pages. 6:55 mark
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbtoXMOiqtQ
03-08-2019, 12:37 PM
#115
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http://www.loeberporsche.com/blog/20...and-0-60-time/ Please note "Dr", this is a Porsche Dealers official website statistics. Do you really think that they would be posting metrics which are unrepresentative and far less than the 2017 911S's actual capabilities. In what world would that make any sense. Unfortunately it obviously does in your case. You are delusional Dr and sound as if you have a fairly significant level of buyers remorse. Face it Pal, ain't no way your 420HP 911 rips off a 3.1, laughable. Looks like you and your Kool Aide guzzling comrades are the ones who need to "Get Real".
03-08-2019, 01:00 PM
#116
This is an exceptionally good post that points directly to the cult mentality that Porsche has created over the years. This blind following defends their chosen automotive deity with aggression and outright stupidity when grossly exaggerated claims about these cars regarding overall quality and performance claims are questioned.
I feel sorry for that and I try to help but you can see how addictive it is...
Best thing to do is give them more "ramp" and let them crash on their own.
Cheers.
03-08-2019, 01:07 PM
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http://www.loeberporsche.com/blog/20...and-0-60-time/ Please note "Dr", this is a Porsche Dealers official website statistics. Do you really think that they would be posting metrics which are unrepresentative and far less than the 2017 911S's actual capabilities. In what world would that make any sense. Unfortunately it obviously does in your case. You are delusional Dr and sound as if you have a fairly significant level of buyers remorse. Face it Pal, ain't no way your 420HP 911 rips off a 3.1, laughable. Looks like you and your Kool Aide guzzling comrades are the ones who need to "Get Real".
03-08-2019, 01:49 PM
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Indeed and here is the funny thing, they try to beat the performance LAW of physics with easy free co-optive social demographic class pressure based on vapor marketing fed by ignorance. Add insult to injury, once they fall in the Porsche marketing zombification they try their hardest to convince you it is a wonderful place to be: in the garage counting seat stiches, checking the latest 0to60.com updates for the 911 and praying the next version will deliver yet another 20% price increase to detach them even further from the mondane pesant reality of physics. It's a pit and they see it as nirvana.
I feel sorry for that and I try to help but you can see how addictive it is...
Best thing to do is give them more "ramp" and let them crash on their own.
Cheers.
I feel sorry for that and I try to help but you can see how addictive it is...
Best thing to do is give them more "ramp" and let them crash on their own.
Cheers.
03-08-2019, 02:00 PM
#119
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For the record, since you are more focused on disproving vs looking at the facts. The base Carrera is 370 HP and is a 3.8 car which matches the 460 HP Corvettes. The C2S is the 420 HP version that is the 3.1 car. Rear weight bias , PDK and superior launch control help produce the numbers. The C8 will improve with the ME layout and hopefully gain a dual clutch setup. Desperately needed to get the most out of the Corvette platform. You and your brother are like two barking dogs and neither of you have a clue of what you spout. But again, this is a forum and intelligence or facts are not required. Do your own research and believe what you wish. I am sure if you and your brother could afford a 911 then you would have one. Until then the C6 will have to do. It would be interesting to meet both of you in person as I can’t believe this isn’t a front and you both just love to argue. Let me know if I can help you with any more information as you are trying to learn.
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03-08-2019, 02:31 PM
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Sure, just like they are on their emissions. 
How many Volkswagen executives have been sentenced to jail for cheating, and how many "cheater buybacks" are currently sitting in large lots all over the US?
It's estimated at 300 thousand. Here's one near me:
https://www.mlive.com/auto/2018/04/v...k_cheatin.html
How many Volkswagen executives have been sentenced to jail for cheating, and how many "cheater buybacks" are currently sitting in large lots all over the US?
It's estimated at 300 thousand. Here's one near me:
https://www.mlive.com/auto/2018/04/v...k_cheatin.html
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