Please GM-don't insult the people with a Corvette that has a dollar store interior
#21
Is very good of you to write this post less than two months before the formal reveal... I'm sure GM will completely re-work the interior for you.
"HEY BOSS! KATIE SAYS SHE DOESN'T LIKE OUR C7 INTERIORS AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT BETTER AND 'NOT DOLLAR STORE'"
"****... WE MADE IT DOLLAR STORE AGAIN! WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT?!?!?"
"SOMEONE CALL MARY AND TADGE..."
"HEY BOSS! KATIE SAYS SHE DOESN'T LIKE OUR C7 INTERIORS AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT BETTER AND 'NOT DOLLAR STORE'"
"****... WE MADE IT DOLLAR STORE AGAIN! WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT?!?!?"
"SOMEONE CALL MARY AND TADGE..."
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#22
If you started out in a Vette in the 50”s, 60”s, 70”s interior improvements came , owners were content and it will continue. People who have most experienced high end vehicles then consider a Vette will never be happy. Never. And that “letter “ is a little late.
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#23
ITs all good. Your point of view is your point of view. I should point out that car reviews have for years been saying to GM to make the interiors better. SO they know already I just was pleading with them as ONE MORE TIME to make a car with a decent interior.
PS the letter is NOT too late. GM has had to fix major wiring issues on the C8 last minute and then they had to fix the roof warping issue last minute so NO they seem to be able to fix problems quickly.
PS the letter is NOT too late. GM has had to fix major wiring issues on the C8 last minute and then they had to fix the roof warping issue last minute so NO they seem to be able to fix problems quickly.
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#24
Hey GM I like Corvettes they are a good car in many ways but like all your other products you put these really cheap interiors in your cars. I point out the BRAND NEW full size truck that has many reviews and every one of them points out the dirt cheap interiors your putting in your flagship vehicle. Please dont assume the masses wont notice this. I remind you for the first time ever the new Ram 1500 outsold your new Chevy truck!
PLEASE dont do this with the new Corvette!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE
PLEASE dont do this with the new Corvette!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE
#25
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Is very good of you to write this post less than two months before the formal reveal... I'm sure GM will completely re-work the interior for you.
"HEY BOSS! KATIE SAYS SHE DOESN'T LIKE OUR C7 INTERIORS AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT BETTER AND 'NOT DOLLAR STORE'"
"****... WE MADE IT DOLLAR STORE AGAIN! WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT?!?!?"
"SOMEONE CALL MARY AND TADGE..."
"HEY BOSS! KATIE SAYS SHE DOESN'T LIKE OUR C7 INTERIORS AND WE NEED TO MAKE IT BETTER AND 'NOT DOLLAR STORE'"
"****... WE MADE IT DOLLAR STORE AGAIN! WE WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO DO THAT?!?!?"
"SOMEONE CALL MARY AND TADGE..."
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I have found mine well designed and executed. I suppose there have been some anecdotal screw ups according to some reports (on the internet) but I have no complaints. I can compare to other vehicles I have owned including currently two S model mercedes. I suppose actual wood veneer trim might dress it up a bit but I can live without it.
#27
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"Furthermore take into account that a loaded ZR1 has the same interior as the $50000 Stingray.......... the car costs around 150000 and your getting close to the cost of a 911 Turbo S............... Dont know about you but I know what car I would buy at that price point."
im pretty sure that a 200k Turbo S has the same interior as a base 911. what is your point?
do you really expect that a manufacturer is going to invest the amount of money necessary to rework an interior for a low volume car at the end of its life cycle?
i have not looked at the Honda that you gush over but i will counter that arguement with this... Man, im so tired of these slow Accords that can barely get out of their own way. GM has a 650+ HP engines in some of their cars, why cant our beloved Accord have that as well. I mean an engine is an engine and it cant cost that much more to add more power...right?
"Furthermore take into account that a loaded ZR1 has the same interior as the $50000 Stingray.......... the car costs around 150000 and your getting close to the cost of a 911 Turbo S............... Dont know about you but I know what car I would buy at that price point."
im pretty sure that a 200k Turbo S has the same interior as a base 911. what is your point?
do you really expect that a manufacturer is going to invest the amount of money necessary to rework an interior for a low volume car at the end of its life cycle?
i have not looked at the Honda that you gush over but i will counter that arguement with this... Man, im so tired of these slow Accords that can barely get out of their own way. GM has a 650+ HP engines in some of their cars, why cant our beloved Accord have that as well. I mean an engine is an engine and it cant cost that much more to add more power...right?
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#29
Ummm one merely needs to look at the new RAM 1500 Limited interior and compare it to the Denali or High Country and realize there is a HUGE difference in quality materials. Take NOTE the price difference from one truck to another is not significant......
My research says the High Country starts at $53000 and the Ram Limited at $52,995.
Also you can look at the Ford Limited and that truck while dated a bit still has a very nice interior and blows away the new GM trucks. Again the price difference is NOT a big factor.
You can look at the Honda Accord Touring at $35,000 and the interior is VERY nice for that price and puts to shame a LOT of more expensive cars!!!!!!!
I am not convinced that you have to have a cheap interior in order to have a competitive price.
My research says the High Country starts at $53000 and the Ram Limited at $52,995.
Also you can look at the Ford Limited and that truck while dated a bit still has a very nice interior and blows away the new GM trucks. Again the price difference is NOT a big factor.
You can look at the Honda Accord Touring at $35,000 and the interior is VERY nice for that price and puts to shame a LOT of more expensive cars!!!!!!!
I am not convinced that you have to have a cheap interior in order to have a competitive price.
The interior quality of all GM products are substandard.
I would gladly pay an extra 5k for better switch gear and improved materiala in the C8 and then still be happy to pay the upgrade cost of the 3lt.
Unfortunately the Corvette fan base want near super car level of performance and all the latest tech but expects GM to do that for 62k.
Blame the Corvette customer base if we demanded better and were willing to pay for the improvement in materiala I am sure GM could produce a much better interior.
Unfortunately that won't happen. We will get a C8 with all kinds of compromises. Lower quality interior to keep cost down. Design that take away from the beauty of the car so the I have to have golf club crowd can use a sports car as a SUV
Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Audi, Maclaren none of those companies have to meet such ridiculous customers demand. So the less compromises and more focus on quality materials and overall sports car driving experience and it shows compared to what we get in the current Corvette and will show in the C8 as well.
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#32
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I love how Porsche gets kudos for their interiors. IF you dip your toe into the interior options list to the tune of $10K+, you'll get a magnificent Porsche interior. If you don't, you won't.
PS. I truly don't get what people don't like about the C7 interior (2LT at least). Nice materials, no fake materials (if it looks like metal, it is for example).
PS. I truly don't get what people don't like about the C7 interior (2LT at least). Nice materials, no fake materials (if it looks like metal, it is for example).
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#33
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Katie,
There have been several posts going back many months about the interior design of the C8 and the center stack. I suggest you look back through the forums to see the changes that are coming (all speculation until the reveal). Those views look to me like GM is following Porsche use of the Center Stack for vertical switches, which may placate you regarding "quality of design" which I think is your point. You are painting with a very wide brush and using so many different examples in a general way. I have a 2018 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn that replaced a 2015 High Country, and I have to say that the interior design of the Laramie Longhorn was one of the reasons...but what RAM/Chevy does with pickups has nothing to do with the Corvette Platform, as they are not the same demographic.
I would also like for you to consider that GM does not build cars to order in the same way as Porsche and Ferrari, due to a much higher volume and a much lower profit margin. Trying to force GM to make changes to design, production process, vendor logistics, and quality control to satisfy a few, which will undoubtedly raise the price for all. My question to you (and everyone else on this forum) are you willing to pay $10-20K to have a custom interior (just the interior) that Porsche & Ferrari owners pay? Keep in mind that a few hundred people in the world each year order there cars this way from Porsche & Ferrari. If there are thousands that would pony up the $20K for a custom interior, then maybe GM will start a division like Porsche has (Ferrari is basically all custom for the whole process) that fulfills Bespoke orders. I think today, GM can't even begin to consider such a notion due to the many voices that say if the C8 starts at more that $60K they will lose a customer for life. It is hard to make everyone happy. You like interiors, for me, my 2019 ZR1 interior is fine, the motor is REMARKABLE!
Jeff
There have been several posts going back many months about the interior design of the C8 and the center stack. I suggest you look back through the forums to see the changes that are coming (all speculation until the reveal). Those views look to me like GM is following Porsche use of the Center Stack for vertical switches, which may placate you regarding "quality of design" which I think is your point. You are painting with a very wide brush and using so many different examples in a general way. I have a 2018 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn that replaced a 2015 High Country, and I have to say that the interior design of the Laramie Longhorn was one of the reasons...but what RAM/Chevy does with pickups has nothing to do with the Corvette Platform, as they are not the same demographic.
I would also like for you to consider that GM does not build cars to order in the same way as Porsche and Ferrari, due to a much higher volume and a much lower profit margin. Trying to force GM to make changes to design, production process, vendor logistics, and quality control to satisfy a few, which will undoubtedly raise the price for all. My question to you (and everyone else on this forum) are you willing to pay $10-20K to have a custom interior (just the interior) that Porsche & Ferrari owners pay? Keep in mind that a few hundred people in the world each year order there cars this way from Porsche & Ferrari. If there are thousands that would pony up the $20K for a custom interior, then maybe GM will start a division like Porsche has (Ferrari is basically all custom for the whole process) that fulfills Bespoke orders. I think today, GM can't even begin to consider such a notion due to the many voices that say if the C8 starts at more that $60K they will lose a customer for life. It is hard to make everyone happy. You like interiors, for me, my 2019 ZR1 interior is fine, the motor is REMARKABLE!
Jeff
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#35
I got you Jeff I certainly would pay for a better interior!! The Corvette is their flagship it should have at least the option of a really nice interior with no cheap plastic and switches that you find on a Chevy Cruz. I would say the same thing for Cadillac. I mean you can buy a CTsv for over 100000 and you get a car with cheap plastic interior parts. It’s not the Corvette that has this cheap interior stuff it’s ALL GM products at all different prices. CRAP one can buy a 90000 plus Escalade and hopefully they won’t notice the same steering column shifter as the Chevy Tahoe or the switches for the hud that are on the Tahoe and corvette being the same.
And for your zr1 don’t you agree they could have at least did a bit more than a snap on steering wheel trip piece and placard on the center console? I mean they could have designed different seat covers, or door panels, or something that is different. How about a different center console cover. Can’t be that hard to build a trim piece for the Zr1. I mean somehow they managed to build a front bumper just for the zr1.
And for your zr1 don’t you agree they could have at least did a bit more than a snap on steering wheel trip piece and placard on the center console? I mean they could have designed different seat covers, or door panels, or something that is different. How about a different center console cover. Can’t be that hard to build a trim piece for the Zr1. I mean somehow they managed to build a front bumper just for the zr1.
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#36
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I think it's safe to say that there are three main groups in the Corvette community:
I think GM's approach of offering a rather spartan interior as a base package, with premium packages available to upgrade the interior is pretty much the only way to deal with it. Hopefully, the middle package will satisfy customers is "group 2" (above) and the top package will satisfy "group 3" customers.
So to satisfy customers who cross-shop between Corvette, Porsche, and Ferrari, GM should step up their efforts to make the top-tier package to use materials, design, and quality comparable to the very best sports cars out there, including Porsche and Ferrari. The top C7 package did a good job of vastly improving all those things, but there is still a good amount of room for improvement. I would love to see GM close that gap completely.
Regardless, the bickering on display here about which approach is "best" is just stupid. You'd think that the logical approach of providing a good choice for all customers would produce universal agreement.
- People who think the interior should be spartan and cheap, because they're going to trash it anyway.
- People who think the interior is already spot-on or adequate (i.e., they're happy with the current interior).
- People who think the interior needs to improve to the same level of design, materials, and quality of the cars that GM claims they are targeting (i.e., Porsche, Ferrari, Audi R8, etc.).
I think GM's approach of offering a rather spartan interior as a base package, with premium packages available to upgrade the interior is pretty much the only way to deal with it. Hopefully, the middle package will satisfy customers is "group 2" (above) and the top package will satisfy "group 3" customers.
So to satisfy customers who cross-shop between Corvette, Porsche, and Ferrari, GM should step up their efforts to make the top-tier package to use materials, design, and quality comparable to the very best sports cars out there, including Porsche and Ferrari. The top C7 package did a good job of vastly improving all those things, but there is still a good amount of room for improvement. I would love to see GM close that gap completely.
Regardless, the bickering on display here about which approach is "best" is just stupid. You'd think that the logical approach of providing a good choice for all customers would produce universal agreement.
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#37
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Had a 1Lt C6 and a 3LT C7. No complaints about the C7.
On theC6, I recall with 17K miles the little door that closed over the lighter "broke" and would not stay closed. I barely ever touched the thing.
Also, I could feel the metal wire inside the seat bottom...
And finally, there was a hole/void on the back side towards the bottom of the shifter button (A6). I always thought it was so cheap of GM to leave the void there instead of adding a bit of plastic.
I don't think any of these criticisms are over the top even for a 1LT optioned car.
These visible things is what gives the impression of cheapness in my opinion.
On theC6, I recall with 17K miles the little door that closed over the lighter "broke" and would not stay closed. I barely ever touched the thing.
Also, I could feel the metal wire inside the seat bottom...
And finally, there was a hole/void on the back side towards the bottom of the shifter button (A6). I always thought it was so cheap of GM to leave the void there instead of adding a bit of plastic.
I don't think any of these criticisms are over the top even for a 1LT optioned car.
These visible things is what gives the impression of cheapness in my opinion.
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#38
Agree 100%. But half the problem isn't so much the current materials but rather the design. I'd bet you can take everything in the interior currently and do a re-layout and come up with a much nicer interior for about the cost of paying a designer for a few hours time. They just choose not to for whatever reason. Its pennies in the grand scheme of the whole car anyway. And if they did it right at first it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
Comparing a C4 to a C7...really?
Moronic statement of the week: “the C4 was probably the last last true sportscar”
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#39
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Katie,
Thanks for the reply and continued conversation. The reason my ZR1 cost $142K was due to the engineering of how to make a faster car than the Z06 without overheating...which is why the front end is different. The reason my ZR1 has a Big Wing is to make sure that I don't hurt myself when I am driving at triple digit speeds. More HP & speed requires GM to be responsible in making sure us owners have a car that we have the ability to drive fast. GM sent 15 ZR1's to Spring Mountain Ranch and GIVES us all 2 days of training driving our ZR1's at triple digit speed on a racetrack so we can understand how to control the car. You may think this is off topic... My Ceramic Matrix Grey ZR1 has leather Competition Bucket seat with Blue Stitching and sueded seating surfaces...the stitching matches my brake calipers...it is a nice touch. I have a carbon fiber everywhere on this car, including the dash & roof (I also have the transparent roof)...so it is different in some ways.
If you were to drive a Z06 & then a ZR1 at speed you would appreciate all of the engineering that GM put into the ZR1. I am willing to have the same interior as a base model as it serves its function...to me the enjoyment and reason I bought the ZR1 was for the performance. I do not live in my ZR1, I do not drive it daily. I am going to become a track rat this summer at club days and will be grinning from ear to ear in my "cheap" interior.
I could go on about how specialized the production process is where base models to ZR1 are all built on the same line at Bowling Green, and the challenges of having numerous unique trim pieces and the effect on cost/efficiency for a high volume process...to me, GM has a better handle on the science and what is possible than both of us.
I am not arguing with you in any way...I understand your point, but please be respectful of how hard it is to make everyone happy, as everyone has a different definition of happy. The Corvette has always been about the best performance for the working public, and I believe that Chevy is trying to stay loyal to this demographic, which I respect greatly and I am happy the ZR1 made it to production...me and about 2500 others to date.
Jeff
Thanks for the reply and continued conversation. The reason my ZR1 cost $142K was due to the engineering of how to make a faster car than the Z06 without overheating...which is why the front end is different. The reason my ZR1 has a Big Wing is to make sure that I don't hurt myself when I am driving at triple digit speeds. More HP & speed requires GM to be responsible in making sure us owners have a car that we have the ability to drive fast. GM sent 15 ZR1's to Spring Mountain Ranch and GIVES us all 2 days of training driving our ZR1's at triple digit speed on a racetrack so we can understand how to control the car. You may think this is off topic... My Ceramic Matrix Grey ZR1 has leather Competition Bucket seat with Blue Stitching and sueded seating surfaces...the stitching matches my brake calipers...it is a nice touch. I have a carbon fiber everywhere on this car, including the dash & roof (I also have the transparent roof)...so it is different in some ways.
If you were to drive a Z06 & then a ZR1 at speed you would appreciate all of the engineering that GM put into the ZR1. I am willing to have the same interior as a base model as it serves its function...to me the enjoyment and reason I bought the ZR1 was for the performance. I do not live in my ZR1, I do not drive it daily. I am going to become a track rat this summer at club days and will be grinning from ear to ear in my "cheap" interior.
I could go on about how specialized the production process is where base models to ZR1 are all built on the same line at Bowling Green, and the challenges of having numerous unique trim pieces and the effect on cost/efficiency for a high volume process...to me, GM has a better handle on the science and what is possible than both of us.
I am not arguing with you in any way...I understand your point, but please be respectful of how hard it is to make everyone happy, as everyone has a different definition of happy. The Corvette has always been about the best performance for the working public, and I believe that Chevy is trying to stay loyal to this demographic, which I respect greatly and I am happy the ZR1 made it to production...me and about 2500 others to date.
Jeff
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#40
I have had several Audi’s in the past 10 years and I own a Honda Pilot now along with my C7. Every time I got into my Audi’s I would look around and try to figure out why all the mags said they had the nicest interiors. I never felt they were anything special. I feel the same way about my Honda.
My Corvette has a much nicer interior than any of my Audi’s and my Honda. I think GM does a great job with their interiors and honesty I feel many of the negative remarks about them are unfounded.
My Corvette has a much nicer interior than any of my Audi’s and my Honda. I think GM does a great job with their interiors and honesty I feel many of the negative remarks about them are unfounded.
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