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Old 06-26-2019, 11:59 AM
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WHOOSH!!! That's not what he is saying. Don't take it literally. Must it be explained to you?
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So you are saying there is no possible way anyone could make a faster ME car than the C7 Grand Sport for under $200k because a few years ago it won against some other cars that had MEs? I am wondering, does technology and design ever advance in your world? Every post you make just clarifies how little you understand about anything in the real world.
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?

The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
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WHOOSH!!! That's not what he is saying. Don't take it literally. Must it be explained to you?
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:25 PM
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Just because the Grand Sport beat these other cars on one track, does not mean it applies to all tracks.

Also there is more to good performance dynamics than just beating other cars at a track. I've always said, if you throw enough money at anything, you can make it go fast. It doesn't mean it's the optimum architecture or body style.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
If the C8 does not offer the LT4 at launch and instead has only the ~500 hp LT2, the FE Grand Sport is going to beat it on the track just as Mero said it beat all the other MEs at NCM. The Lightning Lap results from last year confirm that the GS will beat any ME under $200K.
What's the news here? Didn't the C6 GS beat the base C7 around a track too?

I would FULLY expect the C7 GS to beat the base C8 around a track too.
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Old 06-26-2019, 12:52 PM
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What's the news here? Didn't the C6 GS beat the base C7 around a track too?

I would FULLY expect the C7 GS to beat the base C8 around a track too.
C8 will definitely be more expensive than a C7 GS after dealer mark-ups and discounts. So you will be paying more for less. Not exactly a value proposition.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:05 PM
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Dear Jim,

I look forward to seeing what times you're able to lay down in the C8 in comparison to the Z51 and GS versions of the C7.

I hope it doesn't take you too many laps in the C8 to beat your C7 times. Even if you do I'm sure the styling, technology, and features of the car will continue to make it a worthy progression of the brand.

> John

(Yes, I know Jim is unlikely to see this)

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Old 06-26-2019, 01:09 PM
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The difference in the conversation take away is incremental performance enhancements or radical.

Why change from one FE platform to another for small improvements when they can update and potentially improve everything?

IF they have solved the storage issues as they claim and the car does everything the C7 does only better, especially with the high performance variations, why stay in the past?

Something new. Something better.

BTW, was it a base Camaro that beat the GS ? The GS is not the highest performance C7 after all. Just easier to drive to it’s limit.

One point they they made was that the ME will be easier and safer overall to drive faster than the FE. A Viper is fast too, but from what I have seen and heard it is a bear to drive well. I think GM is looking at more drivers being more capable in the ME.

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Old 06-26-2019, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?

The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
Not really a valid comparison other than that they are both "sports cars" but OK. It is highly unlikely that customers would cross shop the 2 cars as they are vastly different. A far more valid comparison would be a 2020 6th Gen Camaro ZL-1 LE vs 2020 GT500. Now THAT is a far more valid comparison one multiple accounts.
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The more he talks, the more it reinforces my belief that the car did not need to go mid-engine for any technical or performance reason.

They did it because, after 65+ years, they needed something crazy and new. Not because the previous cars were somehow inferior.

Keep up this banter and GM will end up going back to FE....... PLEASE STOP...... I want a mid engine !!!
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
Did you feel the same way about the last generation of GT500? It would run circles around the base Corvette of its time.
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Old 06-26-2019, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?

The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
Again, nothing you have said here makes any sense.

Why would you compare a base model C8 to the Ford GT? Other than both having MEs there is no comparison. You would have to wait for the C8Z.

Why would you compare a base model C8 to the 760 hp Ford GT500. There is no point comparing these two.

You would think simple stuff like this would be obvious to even the most mentally challenged but apparently not.
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sub Driver View Post

Why would you compare a base model C8 to the 760 hp Ford GT500. There is no point comparing these two.

You would think simple stuff like this would be obvious to even the most mentally challenged but apparently not.
C8 and GT500 will cost about the same so obviously they will be compared.
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Old 06-26-2019, 02:03 PM
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Comments like yours are what quells the willingness of those in the know to relate to all of us things in which we are interested. Please try to restrain yourself. I would much rather hear from Jim than you. Mero is the man. Thanks for ALL of your input, Jim.
This, times 1,000..

The fact we have access to Jim is beyond awesome.. Anyone that comments to impact that access, please STFU. That is all.

And I am firmly in the camp that suggests FE with trans and diff in the rear is the superior design choice. This whole ME excersize is change for the sake of change.

The next evolution in performance could have come from AWD, better electronics (traction and suspension) and weight reduction (yes, I see the irony there).

Yes, the C8 will ultimately be "faster", in a straight line anyway.. GM will do what is has been doing for the last several years - all problems are solved with more HP..

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In 2019 it's exhausting to hear anyone say that they weren't aware their controversial comments in a podcast wouldn't be heard by anyone. Really? Negative comments by a former top employee wouldn't generate a viral result? Give us all a break Jim.
Give the guy a break. There was absolutely NOTHING "controversial" about his remarks. They were a thought-provoking consideration of front vs midengine.

Lighten-up, Francis.

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The more he talks, the more it reinforces my belief that the car did not need to go mid-engine for any technical or performance reason.

They did it because, after 65+ years, they needed something crazy and new. Not because the previous cars were somehow inferior.
Amen..

one of of the few things I’ve struggled to deal with regarding the c8 is the fact that the goal is to compete with McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari??

The ZR1 destroyed everything exotic in 2009– the new ZR1 just did the same thing— and the grand sport z51’s can hang with the best of them as noted in the original post.

Even the Ford GT couldn’t hang with the FE Vette’..
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Originally Posted by Dan_the_C5_Man View Post
This, times 1,000..

The fact we have access to Jim is beyond awesome.. Anyone that comments to impact that access, please STFU. That is all.

And I am firmly in the camp that suggests FE with trans and diff in the rear is the superior design choice. This whole ME excersize is change for the sake of change.

The next evolution in performance could have come from AWD, better electronics (traction and suspension) and weight reduction (yes, I see the irony there).

Yes, the C8 will ultimately be "faster", in a straight line anyway.. GM will do what is has been doing for the last several years - all problems are solved with more HP..
Thats one of the stupidest things I’ve read in a while. ME is the superior design for a sports car. Improvements could have come in the form of AWD and such. Why not do it along side the superior ME design? HP doesn’t solve all the problems. It is the easiest way to go faster, until it isn’t. You need a whole lot more than HP to win a race. I suggest you go back to the drawing board and re-study engineering. If you are a engineer, which I doubt based on what you just said.
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Amen..

one of of the few things I’ve struggled to deal with regarding the c8 is the fact that the goal is to compete with McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari??

The ZR1 destroyed everything exotic in 2009– the new ZR1 just did the same thing— and the grand sport z51’s can hang with the best of them as noted in the original post.

Even the Ford GT couldn’t hang with the FE Vette’..
i agree. All true. But as I said above, it takes an expert driver to drive the ZR1 to the limit... even then it is not an easy drive as we have seen... a hem... GMs goal is to make it a little easier and safer to drive the C8 to its limit. The very reason many driver reviews prefer the GS is because it is not so scary to go fast! The ME c8 should give more confidence on the track.

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Originally Posted by PCMIII View Post
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?

The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
I'll ask you ONE MORE TIME:
Please provide the link stating the LT2 is rated at 500HP.
Not your opinion...not a magazine article...not another person on this forum.
A GM LINK STATING THE C8's BASE ENGINE (thought to be called the LT2) IS 500 HORSEPOWER
If you can't provide it, which I know you can't, all your nonsensical rants are blown up in the beginning, since you base ALL your prognostications that this car/that car are faster then base C8 because the C8 only has 500 HP, which YOU DON'T KNOW. Of course, you don't know the weight either...
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Originally Posted by jimmyb View Post
I'll ask you ONE MORE TIME:
Please provide the link stating the LT2 is rated at 500HP.
Not your opinion...not a magazine article...not another person on this forum.
A GM LINK STATING THE C8's BASE ENGINE (thought to be called the LT2) IS 500 HORSEPOWER
If you can't provide it, which I know you can't, all your nonsensical rants are blown up in the beginning, since you base ALL your prognostications that this car/that car are faster then base C8 because the C8 only has 500 HP, which YOU DON'T KNOW. Of course, you don't know the weight either...
Than*
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