Jim Mero responds to podcast related C8 articles
06-26-2019, 11:59 AM
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Not so much anymore. No one can live decently on SS alone. And the time of generous corporate pensions for most employees are long gone. ANd the Govt has a quasi-governmental agency dedicated to trying to harvest remnants of scores of former corporate pension plans that crashed and burned, so at least some portion of the original benefits can be paid to retirees. Today, most pensions are based on how well employees handle investment potential of their 401ks. It is not a secret, that the majority do not do well managing theirs...
06-26-2019, 12:02 PM
#22
Melting Slicks
So you are saying there is no possible way anyone could make a faster ME car than the C7 Grand Sport for under $200k because a few years ago it won against some other cars that had MEs? I am wondering, does technology and design ever advance in your world? Every post you make just clarifies how little you understand about anything in the real world.
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
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06-26-2019, 12:09 PM
#23
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06-26-2019, 12:25 PM
#24
Le Mans Master
Just because the Grand Sport beat these other cars on one track, does not mean it applies to all tracks.
Also there is more to good performance dynamics than just beating other cars at a track. I've always said, if you throw enough money at anything, you can make it go fast. It doesn't mean it's the optimum architecture or body style.
Also there is more to good performance dynamics than just beating other cars at a track. I've always said, if you throw enough money at anything, you can make it go fast. It doesn't mean it's the optimum architecture or body style.
06-26-2019, 12:35 PM
#25
Burning Brakes
If the C8 does not offer the LT4 at launch and instead has only the ~500 hp LT2, the FE Grand Sport is going to beat it on the track just as Mero said it beat all the other MEs at NCM. The Lightning Lap results from last year confirm that the GS will beat any ME under $200K.
I would FULLY expect the C7 GS to beat the base C8 around a track too.
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06-26-2019, 01:05 PM
#27
Burning Brakes
Dear Jim,
I look forward to seeing what times you're able to lay down in the C8 in comparison to the Z51 and GS versions of the C7.
I hope it doesn't take you too many laps in the C8 to beat your C7 times. Even if you do I'm sure the styling, technology, and features of the car will continue to make it a worthy progression of the brand.
> John
(Yes, I know Jim is unlikely to see this)
I look forward to seeing what times you're able to lay down in the C8 in comparison to the Z51 and GS versions of the C7.
I hope it doesn't take you too many laps in the C8 to beat your C7 times. Even if you do I'm sure the styling, technology, and features of the car will continue to make it a worthy progression of the brand.
> John
(Yes, I know Jim is unlikely to see this)
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Jim Mero (06-26-2019)
06-26-2019, 01:09 PM
#28
The difference in the conversation take away is incremental performance enhancements or radical.
Why change from one FE platform to another for small improvements when they can update and potentially improve everything?
IF they have solved the storage issues as they claim and the car does everything the C7 does only better, especially with the high performance variations, why stay in the past?
Something new. Something better.
BTW, was it a base Camaro that beat the GS ? The GS is not the highest performance C7 after all. Just easier to drive to it’s limit.
One point they they made was that the ME will be easier and safer overall to drive faster than the FE. A Viper is fast too, but from what I have seen and heard it is a bear to drive well. I think GM is looking at more drivers being more capable in the ME.
Why change from one FE platform to another for small improvements when they can update and potentially improve everything?
IF they have solved the storage issues as they claim and the car does everything the C7 does only better, especially with the high performance variations, why stay in the past?
Something new. Something better.
BTW, was it a base Camaro that beat the GS ? The GS is not the highest performance C7 after all. Just easier to drive to it’s limit.
One point they they made was that the ME will be easier and safer overall to drive faster than the FE. A Viper is fast too, but from what I have seen and heard it is a bear to drive well. I think GM is looking at more drivers being more capable in the ME.
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06-26-2019, 01:19 PM
#29
Drifting
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
06-26-2019, 01:25 PM
#30
Keep up this banter and GM will end up going back to FE....... PLEASE STOP...... I want a mid engine !!!
06-26-2019, 01:57 PM
#32
Banned Scam/Spammer
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
Why would you compare a base model C8 to the Ford GT? Other than both having MEs there is no comparison. You would have to wait for the C8Z.
Why would you compare a base model C8 to the 760 hp Ford GT500. There is no point comparing these two.
You would think simple stuff like this would be obvious to even the most mentally challenged but apparently not.
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06-26-2019, 02:03 PM
#34
Le Mans Master
The fact we have access to Jim is beyond awesome.. Anyone that comments to impact that access, please STFU. That is all.
And I am firmly in the camp that suggests FE with trans and diff in the rear is the superior design choice. This whole ME excersize is change for the sake of change.
The next evolution in performance could have come from AWD, better electronics (traction and suspension) and weight reduction (yes, I see the irony there).
Yes, the C8 will ultimately be "faster", in a straight line anyway.. GM will do what is has been doing for the last several years - all problems are solved with more HP..
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06-26-2019, 02:11 PM
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I got your "controversy..." RIGHT HERE...
Lighten-up, Francis.
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06-26-2019, 02:13 PM
#36
one of of the few things I’ve struggled to deal with regarding the c8 is the fact that the goal is to compete with McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari??
The ZR1 destroyed everything exotic in 2009– the new ZR1 just did the same thing— and the grand sport z51’s can hang with the best of them as noted in the original post.
Even the Ford GT couldn’t hang with the FE Vette’..
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06-26-2019, 02:23 PM
#37
Instructor
This, times 1,000..
The fact we have access to Jim is beyond awesome.. Anyone that comments to impact that access, please STFU. That is all.
And I am firmly in the camp that suggests FE with trans and diff in the rear is the superior design choice. This whole ME excersize is change for the sake of change.
The next evolution in performance could have come from AWD, better electronics (traction and suspension) and weight reduction (yes, I see the irony there).
Yes, the C8 will ultimately be "faster", in a straight line anyway.. GM will do what is has been doing for the last several years - all problems are solved with more HP..
The fact we have access to Jim is beyond awesome.. Anyone that comments to impact that access, please STFU. That is all.
And I am firmly in the camp that suggests FE with trans and diff in the rear is the superior design choice. This whole ME excersize is change for the sake of change.
The next evolution in performance could have come from AWD, better electronics (traction and suspension) and weight reduction (yes, I see the irony there).
Yes, the C8 will ultimately be "faster", in a straight line anyway.. GM will do what is has been doing for the last several years - all problems are solved with more HP..
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06-26-2019, 02:24 PM
#38
Amen..
one of of the few things I’ve struggled to deal with regarding the c8 is the fact that the goal is to compete with McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari??
The ZR1 destroyed everything exotic in 2009– the new ZR1 just did the same thing— and the grand sport z51’s can hang with the best of them as noted in the original post.
Even the Ford GT couldn’t hang with the FE Vette’..
one of of the few things I’ve struggled to deal with regarding the c8 is the fact that the goal is to compete with McLaren, Lamborghini, and Ferrari??
The ZR1 destroyed everything exotic in 2009– the new ZR1 just did the same thing— and the grand sport z51’s can hang with the best of them as noted in the original post.
Even the Ford GT couldn’t hang with the FE Vette’..
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06-26-2019, 02:29 PM
#39
Race Director
Was 2017 a few years ago? Because that is when the Camaro ZL1-1LE beat the Porsche 911 Turbo S at Lightning Lap. It was also faster than a 2018 911 GT3, 2017 NSX, and just 2 tenths behind the 2017 Ford GT. Do you seriously think that the C8 w/500 hp will beat a Ford GT?
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
The truth is that a C8 w/500 hp is going to lose badly to the 2020 Mustang Shelby GT500. That will not be good at all.
Please provide the link stating the LT2 is rated at 500HP.
Not your opinion...not a magazine article...not another person on this forum.
A GM LINK STATING THE C8's BASE ENGINE (thought to be called the LT2) IS 500 HORSEPOWER
If you can't provide it, which I know you can't, all your nonsensical rants are blown up in the beginning, since you base ALL your prognostications that this car/that car are faster then base C8 because the C8 only has 500 HP, which YOU DON'T KNOW. Of course, you don't know the weight either...
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06-26-2019, 02:35 PM
#40
Instructor
I'll ask you ONE MORE TIME:
Please provide the link stating the LT2 is rated at 500HP.
Not your opinion...not a magazine article...not another person on this forum.
A GM LINK STATING THE C8's BASE ENGINE (thought to be called the LT2) IS 500 HORSEPOWER
If you can't provide it, which I know you can't, all your nonsensical rants are blown up in the beginning, since you base ALL your prognostications that this car/that car are faster then base C8 because the C8 only has 500 HP, which YOU DON'T KNOW. Of course, you don't know the weight either...
Please provide the link stating the LT2 is rated at 500HP.
Not your opinion...not a magazine article...not another person on this forum.
A GM LINK STATING THE C8's BASE ENGINE (thought to be called the LT2) IS 500 HORSEPOWER
If you can't provide it, which I know you can't, all your nonsensical rants are blown up in the beginning, since you base ALL your prognostications that this car/that car are faster then base C8 because the C8 only has 500 HP, which YOU DON'T KNOW. Of course, you don't know the weight either...