NY09C6

Less than zero interest.

themonk

Bury your head in the sand and maybe all of it will go away.

P1, 918, Ferrari The Ferrari.....all POS, right. GMAFB.

thill444

I’m very interested in the hybrid. It should blow the doors off the pushrod V8. Time to modernize the Corvette!

Needs autopilot too...

JerryU

Hmm, as I stated in post 46, it can do both! Just as Ferrari is doing!

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Appears some did NOT see or WANT to see that the major car companies just ackowlegded they caved to California and have reached an agreement (despite the Federal Government postponing the 2025 ~39 mpg for Corvettes and well as ~40 mpg for the Silverado goals) that they will achieve much better mpg goals in 2025. (See clip of two pages from the 1128 page EPA mpg goals, detailed report below. Google if you like statistics.) Their agreed details are not yet in.

We can postpone the inevitable EV only! Some don't understand or care that the 1.6 Liter F1 engine generates ~800 hp and they no longer need or allow refueling during a race with the help of a <100 lb ~70 hp hybrid system with a small ~30 lb battery. They are using about half the fuel/ same distance race as prior F1s. These 1.6 liter hybrids are setting track records besting times in the same races as prior high fuel use 3 Liter V12s! It now includeds what is called a MGU-H that uses turbo power when not needed to boost intake pressure to operate a generator and recharge the small battery in addition to engine braking! In fact Mercedes F1 engine is reportedly 50% thermal efficient with the help of MGU-H.

F1 will not use it after the 2020 season because it "reduces sound and the higher costs for smaller teams to integrate into a short duration times when turbo's aren't being used to generate power!" Mercedes power train manager, Andy Cowell said it was a step backwards and: "Doesn't feel the most honorable thing to do as an engineer." However Mercedes is evaluating ways to include it in passenger cars! Note, exhaust gases going out in the air wastes about 30% of the energy used in an ICE!

Were most cars get less than 30% thermal efficiency the Mercedes F1 engine achieves 50%! Andy Cowell said: "The MGU-H provides 60% of the electric energy used to power the car along with the other part of the energy recovery system, the MGU-K, (the F1 energy recovery from braking and coasting) contributes 5% of the current engine's thermal efficiency.

Yep some just think GM's only obligation is to build them a light weight fast car and the hell with mpg, etc! They will be the first to cry, "What Happened" IF the growing "No Fossil Fuel" crowd gets in power and increases gasoline prices to ~$10/gallon with a guilt trip to "Save the Planet!" Can happen overnight! Frankly I'll chuckle as I can afford $10/gallon gas for my C8 and the ~10 mpg I get with the 502 cid BB in my street rod! Not sure everyone will be laughing with me!

Phanni

There's more to automotive technology than springs. The "optispark' is no longer used. Fuel injection Is much different. mag ride, distributers are gone, etc,

ZishanM

I am not sure if people are aware of what they actually dislike. The 'hybrid' technology going into the corvette and avalon are two completely different architectures. Anything with a battery is labeled hybrid. This is more like electronic torque.

ZishanM

Great post. Most of the issue is not understanding how the technology works and associating it with something else. Good for you for being open to experiencing it first hand.

jefnvk

And again, none of that is particularly cutting edge tech in the sports car world. Just like transverse leaf springs. Advanced from 30 years ago, maybe, cutting edge compared to modern day alternatives? Nah.

Fredtoo

This is where many of us differ in what is important in a Sports Car.

Launching It, is something that is for drag racers.

How it goes around corners is paramount for others.

Mr Triple Black

I own an NSX and this is basically what you’re talking about. More power, but same concept. It’s a better car than my Z06. I can typically have more fun in my Z06. I don’t want the hybrid model of a C8. If the Z06 version is hybrid I’ll just back track and get a regular C8 and enjoy the RWD.

B747VET

No idea why you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today, but the more you continue to blather on about things of which you patently have little or no knowledge, the more it is obvious that you need to postulate less and research more.

But, don’t start with studying Corvette developmental history. You aren’t ready for that yet. Start with the history and evolution of scientific and engineering advancement for the last 200 years. One has to understand such fundamentals of progress before one can presume to lecture as to how we got where we are.

jefnvk

OK, educate me. Which things are the Corvette doing that are truly groundbreaking, that are truly technologically advanced compared to other cars? All I keep getting is a list of things that are more or less standard across everything on the market. It is am amazing performing car at an outstanding pricepoint, but it isn't exactly at the forefront of technology. Especially so, when compared to other sports cars.

2slow2speed

This thread reminds me of the endless back and forth that we had over at nsxprime regarding the 2nd generation NSX (NC1), fortunately Chevy is not forcing everyone down the hybrid path so it is a good thing IMHO.

Folks who want the added complexity and added weight and added nuances of a computer controlled AWD car can have the hybrid car, everyone else will get to choose between a TTZ06, or a NA Base/Z51/GS.

I for one look forward to been able to drive a C8 with all electronic nannies turned off at the track

StanleyTTU

Using electric motors to fill in for missing low end torque so that small displacement, high revving motors can be "streetable" is so common sense and smart business that it absolutely blows my mind that anyone would be against it at all.

I suppose the niche market that actually tracks the car may take issue with the added weight (despite what is likely to be better overall performance).

The reality is a 5.5L Z06 with no power adder will scream on a track but will require revving up a lot in traffic that will make it more of a chore when commuting around town. Put a couple electric motors up front and all of a sudden you have all the low end torque needed to function as a GT car without having to re-think the combustion engine architecture.

I hope the Z06 is offered with electric motors up front as an option. A 600hp motor with 200hp electric motors up front would be all I need. The ZR1 with 1000hp I would never use and would just be bragging rights at that point.

Carvin

A friend gave me a demo of a launch of his Tesla in "ludicrous mode". I couldn't believe it! My stomach had that sensation that you experience when a jet hits turbulence, that falling feeling.

Patman

And all wheel drive is better for racing too, you can get on the gas sooner when exiting the corners. That's why Audi has dominated a lot of the racing series it was in.

tobaccokid

Also, less than zero interest.

If I want to experience travel with an electric motor I’ll go for a ride in a high speed elevator. Practical travel but for a car, no interest whatsoever in whoosh, whoosh. Without “noise and smoke” why would I waste my time ?

C7Z51

I have two Tesla’s, the Model S and X and hopefully will have the new roadster in the next couple of years. The torque that an electric motor can put down is enough of a reason for me to want a hybrid model. I definitely want to hear the engine roar in my corvette so a full electric would be a no-go. But a hybrid would be the best of both worlds, hands down.

the 2020 Tesla roadster has 7,400lb-ft of torque. No, that’s not a misspelling. 7,400!!! Imagine how this power could be utilized in a hybrid corvette. It would be insane.

Avanti

No.

WalterSobchak

Interested... Yes. I hope they offer several variations of motors, hybrid, forced and NA. It will be better for all in the long run. I hope these are extra choices, not taking away choices. Then I'm interested. I'll have my 2020 I ordered, but I'm very curious at where they go next.