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02-23-2020, 07:44 PM
#61
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PDK - the benchmark for DCTs have had their issues as well. Google search and read. Especially the early one. But as recent as 2017s they were swapping those gearboxes out for an internal issue which they came up with a "repair kit" for it became so costly.
They are complex units. And still relatively new I. The automotive world in these applications.
They are complex units. And still relatively new I. The automotive world in these applications.
02-23-2020, 07:44 PM
#62
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I would.
So you shell out 85k drive it a month or two and the trans locks up. You call a tow truck and the driver shows up hooks up a cable and drags your new Corvette screeching across the pavement, slings a couple of tow hooks up on the flatbed, hopefully don’t hit your wheels putting a ding in them and then Drives it to the dealer unloads it (gingerly of course with white gloves on). Now you get a ride to the dealer the next day after it sat in their lot overnight because this happened after hours of course, and now you have the pleasant experience of going inside and explaining what happened for the fifth time. They shout across the garage, “ Hey Joe!, you done putting those brakes on that Cavalier? here’s one of those new Corvettes I want you to look at”. He comes over and scratches his head and says, “ Oh this has one of those double clutch things doesn’t it. So for the first time he gets to tear into this Tremec tranny. He has the porter get it in and they start hoisting it in the air...
I could go on and on.
so yes this does concern me. Not my definition of reassurance that it has a warranty.
So you shell out 85k drive it a month or two and the trans locks up. You call a tow truck and the driver shows up hooks up a cable and drags your new Corvette screeching across the pavement, slings a couple of tow hooks up on the flatbed, hopefully don’t hit your wheels putting a ding in them and then Drives it to the dealer unloads it (gingerly of course with white gloves on). Now you get a ride to the dealer the next day after it sat in their lot overnight because this happened after hours of course, and now you have the pleasant experience of going inside and explaining what happened for the fifth time. They shout across the garage, “ Hey Joe!, you done putting those brakes on that Cavalier? here’s one of those new Corvettes I want you to look at”. He comes over and scratches his head and says, “ Oh this has one of those double clutch things doesn’t it. So for the first time he gets to tear into this Tremec tranny. He has the porter get it in and they start hoisting it in the air...
I could go on and on.
so yes this does concern me. Not my definition of reassurance that it has a warranty.
02-23-2020, 07:48 PM
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I would.
So you shell out 85k drive it a month or two and the trans locks up. You call a tow truck and the driver shows up hooks up a cable and drags your new Corvette screeching across the pavement, slings a couple of tow hooks up on the flatbed, hopefully don’t hit your wheels putting a ding in them and then Drives it to the dealer unloads it (gingerly of course with white gloves on). Now you get a ride to the dealer the next day after it sat in their lot overnight because this happened after hours of course, and now you have the pleasant experience of going inside and explaining what happened for the fifth time. They shout across the garage, “ Hey Joe!, you done putting those brakes on that Cavalier? here’s one of those new Corvettes I want you to look at”. He comes over and scratches his head and says, “ Oh this has one of those double clutch things doesn’t it. So for the first time he gets to tear into this Tremec tranny. He has the porter get it in and they start hoisting it in the air...
I could go on and on.
so yes this does concern me. Not my definition of reassurance that it has a warranty.
So you shell out 85k drive it a month or two and the trans locks up. You call a tow truck and the driver shows up hooks up a cable and drags your new Corvette screeching across the pavement, slings a couple of tow hooks up on the flatbed, hopefully don’t hit your wheels putting a ding in them and then Drives it to the dealer unloads it (gingerly of course with white gloves on). Now you get a ride to the dealer the next day after it sat in their lot overnight because this happened after hours of course, and now you have the pleasant experience of going inside and explaining what happened for the fifth time. They shout across the garage, “ Hey Joe!, you done putting those brakes on that Cavalier? here’s one of those new Corvettes I want you to look at”. He comes over and scratches his head and says, “ Oh this has one of those double clutch things doesn’t it. So for the first time he gets to tear into this Tremec tranny. He has the porter get it in and they start hoisting it in the air...
I could go on and on.
so yes this does concern me. Not my definition of reassurance that it has a warranty.
02-23-2020, 07:49 PM
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02-23-2020, 07:52 PM
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Drive train is 5 years/60,000 miles, if it really has an issue, it will for sure rear its head in that time frame.
02-23-2020, 07:55 PM
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Great story, too bad it wouldn't happen that way. I sold new GM cars for over ten years and I guarantee you when a new model has a major component failure, I.E. engine or transmission, the shop is not allowed to open it at all. They send a crate, you remove it and send it to them. they have their engineers and techs take it apart to see why it failed. I've seen this procedure done first hand, no guessing.
02-23-2020, 08:11 PM
#67
Which is why warranties on that part should start again with a 5yr warranty not just remaining time left. For example if your dct goes at 58months. You should get 60months from that date, not 2 months.
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02-23-2020, 08:17 PM
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yeah out on Woodward a public street where police are everywhere. Just like those two test pilots from Bowling Green who don’t have jobs anymore. Yeah that’s it.
02-23-2020, 08:20 PM
#70
Burning Brakes
One out of hundreds. Pretty great ratio I’d say.
02-23-2020, 08:22 PM
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02-23-2020, 08:29 PM
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02-23-2020, 08:31 PM
#73
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Column lock issues on my C5 and of course the first year LS6 “ oil burner “ fun. C6 LS7 dropped valves. C7 A8 issues and z06 over heat issues and of course the always fun GS/z06 bent wheels.
They are mass produced cars at a low price point for what they are. It happens. Most of us accept it. For the most part they do what we want them to do. Any problems you just deal with it.
They are mass produced cars at a low price point for what they are. It happens. Most of us accept it. For the most part they do what we want them to do. Any problems you just deal with it.
02-23-2020, 08:32 PM
#74
good on ya champ hope you feel better.
02-23-2020, 08:35 PM
#75
Column lock issues on my C5 and of course the first year LS6 “ oil burner “ fun. C6 LS7 dropped valves. C7 A8 issues and z06 over heat issues and of course the always fun GS/z06 bent wheels.
They are mass produced cars at a low price point for what they are. It happens. Most of us accept it. For the most part they do what we want them to do. Any problems you just deal with it.
They are mass produced cars at a low price point for what they are. It happens. Most of us accept it. For the most part they do what we want them to do. Any problems you just deal with it.
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02-23-2020, 08:40 PM
#76
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It’s a Chevy. Crap happens. Not saying it’s right but that’s how it works with them.
02-23-2020, 08:45 PM
#77
Yet you have people who will defend them till they turn blue. I think these people need to experience something similar. GM is corrupt as much as the people in prison, yet they get away with it.
02-23-2020, 09:04 PM
#78
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Column lock issues on my C5 and of course the first year LS6 “ oil burner “ fun. C6 LS7 dropped valves. C7 A8 issues and z06 over heat issues and of course the always fun GS/z06 bent wheels.
They are mass produced cars at a low price point for what they are. It happens. Most of us accept it. For the most part they do what we want them to do. Any problems you just deal with it.
They are mass produced cars at a low price point for what they are. It happens. Most of us accept it. For the most part they do what we want them to do. Any problems you just deal with it.
My '98 Z28 with the almighty LS1 engine had:
-seat wear in the leather driver's seat from sliding in/out of the car
-cheap plastic galore, with what looked like scratches from a woman's high heel on the passenger side floor trim
-twist marks near the near hatch supports from the massive torque created when burning rubber
-leaking rear differential
I still loved that car from day one until the day I sold it. Zero regrets.
02-23-2020, 09:26 PM
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Hard to know what to make of this.
But note what does the term "seized" mean here? The ZF automatics used all over the place on BMWs, Alfas, etc - have a failure mode such that if you cannot start the engine, you cannot put the transmission in neutral. You have to screw a service bolt (that few people have) into the transmission body from underneath the car to put it in neutral to be able to move it. It's a common complaint on boards from people who have that transmission, and people says it's "seized" when what really happens is that some electrical system/battery issue results in not being able to start the car, and then you can't move it out of Park. Nothing is actually wrong with the transmission. Some BMWs use to have an emergency pull rod below the gearshift to be able to do this from inside the car, but they have since eliminated that.
How do you put this DCT into neutral if you can't start the C8?
But note what does the term "seized" mean here? The ZF automatics used all over the place on BMWs, Alfas, etc - have a failure mode such that if you cannot start the engine, you cannot put the transmission in neutral. You have to screw a service bolt (that few people have) into the transmission body from underneath the car to put it in neutral to be able to move it. It's a common complaint on boards from people who have that transmission, and people says it's "seized" when what really happens is that some electrical system/battery issue results in not being able to start the car, and then you can't move it out of Park. Nothing is actually wrong with the transmission. Some BMWs use to have an emergency pull rod below the gearshift to be able to do this from inside the car, but they have since eliminated that.
How do you put this DCT into neutral if you can't start the C8?
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02-23-2020, 10:03 PM
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Actually a LOT more info. It was stuck in park, it wasn't seized or locked up. I have had other cars that were stuck in park, that doesn't say scary to me. That can be a brake shift interlock or a multitude of insignificant things. If it won't come out of park you are still stuck, I get that, but it doesn't necessarily mean a transmission failure. That bit of news is actually good news, thanks!
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