Front Trunk Hood Warning System Recall August 18 2020
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Update is at the dealers and should be available over the air tonight. Here is the fix for the fob https://youtu.be/nTOB2wE6CUg
But some of us will keep the tether for awhile and see how it goes.
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1) Stopped - Fully unlatch.
2) Speed up to 3 mph - Partially or fully unlatch.
3) Speed above 3 mph - Partially unlatch.
If you have a system that does this then you have a solution.
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Update is at the dealers and should be available over the air tonight. Here is the fix for the fob https://youtu.be/nTOB2wE6CUg
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Considering we haven’t seen video of the other 11+ reported to the NHTSA nobody on this forum can prove or disprove user error in any of those instances.
Tadge’s wording was very carefully scripted to continue GM’s narrative of blaming the owner though.
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It actually won’t prove that at all. There is a least one pdr video showing there were zero warning chimes or alerts on the DIC prior to one owner’s frunk popping open meaning it was not opened prior to the owner driving away. Another owner showed pictures of his car immediately prior to the frunk popping open clearly showing it was closed & according to his account the fob was in cup holder. Yet another owner reported the rear trunk popping open when backing out of the garage with the fob in the cup holder.
Considering we haven’t seen video of the other 11+ reported to the NHTSA nobody on this forum can prove or disprove user error in any of those instances.
Tadge’s wording was very carefully scripted to continue GM’s narrative of blaming the owner though.
Considering we haven’t seen video of the other 11+ reported to the NHTSA nobody on this forum can prove or disprove user error in any of those instances.
Tadge’s wording was very carefully scripted to continue GM’s narrative of blaming the owner though.
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Exactly what was cryptic? That latch as posted does not meet federal regulations for a front trunk. Your version is a stock C8 can go 150 mph in the quarter mile.
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As indicated by the more than one example from members on this forum, the car was already moving without any warning chimes and the frunk popped open. Tadge, Jeremy, and even you tubers have shown the fob does not work to open the frunk when the vehicle is in drive, so if this update only fixed the fob, then it didn’t fix what caused those other incidents.
If we don’t see any more openings, what it does mean is GM most likely fixed another electrical fault and can stick to their user error story.
They do this constantly - just look at LS7 engine failures and they finally came out and said they found the problem but it only affected certain years and a very small percentage of engines (10%). They claimed that by cherry picking a very specific data set of warranty repairs between a certain time period. All data can be manipulated to say what you want it to say. GM says the LS7 machining error was fixed and no more problems yet there are countless owners of vehicles (both Corvette & Camaro) after this “fix” that have the exact same engine failure. GM sticks to their story that is was only between certain years, identified & fixed.
Same thing here. They’re claiming the frunk was already opened before the owners drove away & that they “inadvertently” opened the frunk with the fob and “didn’t notice”. If that is the “problem” they identified and changing the operation of the fob fixes that “problem” then they can stick to their claim. But anyone with any research background knows it’s near impossible to prove user error unless you actually witness the scenario occur.
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Why just a few hoods popping open in such a short period of time? Is there a common denominator? Even if we don’t know the exact number of hoods popping, shouldn’t it be in the hundreds?
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So the over the air issue must’ve been why ddealer said my car didn’t arrive yesterday even though the concierge said it did.
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Every report of the flying frunk had occurred at low speed where the hood pops during acceleration.
Is this issue is not driver error, why does it not happen at highway speeds or on the track?
There is a common denominator here and GM has identified it.
Is this issue is not driver error, why does it not happen at highway speeds or on the track?
There is a common denominator here and GM has identified it.
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Not saying it was not a potentially series issue as NOT knowing what caused the hood to open and folks not to see it. In fact if GM had not issued their "Suspenders" fix (as I expected they would) to their existing "Belt" hood's open warnings, I would have installed a Tether when I picked up my C8 (built last week.) Like the idea they installed the max 26 mph speed if opened and provided an improved FOB button open sequence to reduce "pocket call" inadvertent activation.
However, 1) as suspected, with the Lab work and research GM has no doubt done to identify the reason, 2) Jeremy's great analysis of one video where the owner believed it was NOT Open before he drove but showed in fact it was and 3) every one that was reported to fly open, occurred at a low speed one would expect a light weight C8 hood to fly up if driven - I'm not installing a Tether. Frankly the Forum has a way of creating hysteria over whatever! Fortunately, most C8 buyers don't read it or some of us who do - understand!
To Each Their Own!
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FWIW, it's NOT 7 so even if it's 50 out of 7000 cars. Forum reports show say there were <10 had hoods that flew up. That has to be compared to 5+ million times a C8 was started and the hood did NOT fly up. With 7000+ C8 out, some out many months, that is probably how many were started and driven without a hood flying up! Probably more who saw the hood was up from dash warnings or visually and shut it.
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And GM supplied a "Warning Fix, etc!" Thanks GM!
And GM supplied a "Warning Fix, etc!" Thanks GM!
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I have flown extremely complicated aircraft in the military, learned the inner workings and designs of every single system on those aircraft because I spent many long hours in the middle of the Oceans where I could NOT PULL OVER AND PARK on the nearest cloud and on more than one occasion I had to use that knowledge for stuff that was not in the books to handle Life or Death Situations. So don't tell me when my Rear trunk Opened on its own and i say it was NOT User Error, I do not know what i am talking about. Again, I am sure some incidents May be User error, But NOT EVERY ONE, especially mine that I have first hand knowledge of.
The first picture is what the average civilian pilot is expected to know, the second is what the average copilot in the Navy is expected to know, the last picture is what the Navy Plane Commander is Demanded to know from Memory! In the later is a real world incident that never ever happened before I discovered it. Basically only 1 side of a relay failed vs the entire relay. This specific situation was not included in the many pages of emergency procedures a Plane Commander was drilled on for 2 days before becoming Certified for that position. Frankly, a Doctoral Dissertation pales in comparison! By being able to understand the intricacies of system designs and their inner workings, I personally saved all of you taxpayers more than my salary over a decade on that one incident. The maintenance department told me when I returned that they had never seen only 1 side of this relay ever fail. It has always been the entire relay that has failed. So when I say, I heard the rear trunk open on its own, I am not one of the User Error events. And with the OTAU snafu, I have now lost all faith in their IT abilities. Wire w Carabiner will be staying ON!
This is not a personal pat on the back, This is why the US military is Second to NONE!
I have flown extremely complicated aircraft in the military, learned the inner workings and designs of every single system on those aircraft because I spent many long hours in the middle of the Oceans where I could NOT PULL OVER AND PARK on the nearest cloud and on more than one occasion I had to use that knowledge for stuff that was not in the books to handle Life or Death Situations. So don't tell me when my Rear trunk Opened on its own and i say it was NOT User Error, I do not know what i am talking about. Again, I am sure some incidents May be User error, But NOT EVERY ONE, especially mine that I have first hand knowledge of.
The first picture is what the average civilian pilot is expected to know, the second is what the average copilot in the Navy is expected to know, the last picture is what the Navy Plane Commander is Demanded to know from Memory! In the later is a real world incident that never ever happened before I discovered it. Basically only 1 side of a relay failed vs the entire relay. This specific situation was not included in the many pages of emergency procedures a Plane Commander was drilled on for 2 days before becoming Certified for that position. Frankly, a Doctoral Dissertation pales in comparison! By being able to understand the intricacies of system designs and their inner workings, I personally saved all of you taxpayers more than my salary over a decade on that one incident. The maintenance department told me when I returned that they had never seen only 1 side of this relay ever fail. It has always been the entire relay that has failed. So when I say, I heard the rear trunk open on its own, I am not one of the User Error events. And with the OTAU snafu, I have now lost all faith in their IT abilities. Wire w Carabiner will be staying ON!
This is not a personal pat on the back, This is why the US military is Second to NONE!
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Airplanes have two and three levels of redundancy of systems, that's why they are as reliable as they are. What will you attribute your rear hatch to if it never pops again???? A computer in a bad mood?