I agree with your general sentiment, as I have said a number of times on the board. But, GM needs to quit going "cheaper". Indeed, the Corvette needs to move upmarket, if not in the USA, at least in other markets. Corvette is a prestige brand elsewhere. Sure, sell the starter Vettes, but move upmarket, too (but in limited numbers to start to support a higher price) and doubly so with a HiPo SUV. I'd like to read a car mag someday where it tests high-end Corvette line products and you never hear "not as good as the _________, but better bang for the buck."

 

Less expensive would be the correct terminology since GM can utilize many parts from other parts of the company...

I believe the market for a five passenger sportscar like cuv branded corvette would be the ultimate showroom traffic builder and sales would skyrocket...not only for the 2 seater the five seat cuv but also all other Chevy products ...

I imagine it's on their radar but brand competive infighting is probably slowing it down..

Use jaguar as an example..it took decades to get clearance from Land Rover lovers in house to finally green light the f pace, now the e pace and I pace cuv sports luxury cuv s from a company that barely remained afloat in sales...now they are growing rapidly..and Land Rover is doing just fine..

Sedans are out..cuv s are in...time for a sports car cuv...first one to market for GM will be a big win..

Brand it corvette to seal the deal and guarantee its success in the marketplace..

How many guys and girls dream of owning a corvette one day...well with a sports car cuv sleekly styled like the urus...GM can differentiate its product and still leave room for cuts from Buick, GMC, Cadillac and even the economy value leader chevrolet..

Just make the corvette cuv sleek and sexy...like the urus....

Not a box like GMC, Chevy , Cadillac or Buick...

Leave utility to them..

Give sex appeal to the corvette cuv..along with earth shattering performance...

Just my two cents

 

I just bought a grand Cherokee with a 707hp supercharged trackhawk. If an SUV can get fast right, why can't a sports car get an suv right?

 

How do you like your Trackhawk so far?

 

 

I’ve always loved the look of the trailblazer SS. Was at a Chevy dealership a month or so ago and saw a 2018 Traverse Redline. It’s pretty sporting looking. Sticker $48k. Yikes.

I wonder how difficult it would be for GM to put the LT1 or LT4 in an AWD traverse redline?

I wonder if it would sell?

 

Trackhawks cool but it's more trucklike than I envision for a corvette branded sports car like cuv....

Smaller Macan sized with either v 8 or a battery pack powertrain to be extremely contemporary....

 

i really like traverse redline. Price seems high but in a month or so it’ll be 10% less. V8 wouldn’t happen, it’s a FWD based SUV with engine mount horizontal. BUT they could use the TT Cadillac engine, and tune it for 435-460 HP. If they brought that out I’d trade in my explorer sport immediately. Like I’ve said GM doesn’t need to try and make Corvette (can you imagine the confusion among the general public!!) a brand they need a performance group that is very easily identifiable and they could bring out a seperate CUV/SUV, like the typhoon.

 

Totally agree...but I think they also really need to maintain the current offerings/price points too. You’re right that they do need to start upping their game/offering higher echelon products etc

As far as an SUV we have to remember that Porsche an upper tier brand offers two C/SUVs that start at 47k and 65k, so I don’t think Corvette would have a ton of success by offering one SUV starting at 80k or so....

They could make an absolute KILLING if they offer a high performing option for 50-60k or so

 

How many 47K Macan's did Porsche sell last year in the US, 5? 10? 0?

Nobody buys the base models. Most Macan's sell in the very high 60 to 90 range.

Plus the Macan has been wildly successful from launch when the 2.0 model was never offered. That is mostly meant for other markets and I'm surprised they brought it to the US but I've still never seen one.

 

Don't be raising the base price any more..add all the god dam options and luxury goodies you want.....but stop lifting these god dam msrp prices..

I'm sorry but raising prices on base vehicles is the kiss of death for sales..

Americans expect value from GM...

If I want to pay overblown prices I'll go buy a f in German vehicle.

They rape you and tell you you are lucky to be taking it up the butt..

Americans know better....strong performance, excellent styling, decent standard items and a balanced price value equation...

Add on luxury features sure load the prices away....

Cadillac has been destroyed by third gen CTS price upgrades of about 8 grand over comparable 2nd gen CTS owners...

What do Germans think we are stupid?

That jerk off chairman of Cadillac literally said he was lifting the prices of the gen 3 CTS 8 grand over the previous generation so people would see cache in the vehicle...


Cadillac owners to,d him to pound sand and bought elsewhere...

Cadillac sales in the USA are in a free fall ever since...

Dumb@sses...overcharging...

Leave that crap to the german brands..,

Especially for the corvette sports cuv ...

I hate the term bang for the buck but I also hate literally getting raped by Porsche, BMW or Audi dealers in price or service...

We don't need to imitate that

 

Jerri...have you had your morning coffee yet?

 

I want what this guys been smokin....

 

Sorry to read you do not have the intelligence to comprehend my words..

 

OK, so I guess you're not a morning person...

 

It's all good..we can always share various opinions and agree to disagree..

Have a nice evening.

 

http://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/g...960x420-02.jpg

yukon has a similar model with a 6.2 liter.

 

I hear you, but the German brands have taken the luxury and near luxury market, along with Lexus. The Germans ARE the competition. Lincoln is an afterthought and Cadillac is having its issues, despite making better cars than they did 20 years ago.

I would happily lease a 130K Cadillac (no one buys German cars, do they?) IF it were truly an overdog at that price point AND if GM develops the style, panache and dealer network (which is the biggest difference between US and German marques, IMHO) needed at that price point.

Also, there is no reason Cadillac cannot sell a 40K starter car and go up from there, just like the Corvette team can sell both a front engine, V8 starter car at 60K, a mid-engine supercar at 150K, and a couple of options in between.

Make the cars great, and charge for it, and assemble the dealer network necessary to excel at these price points.

 

The Germans(sans BMW's 3 series) have made a better car especially on the interiors.

BMW really let it go with the interiors, both in lack of design ability and material quality.

But the rest, if you want to admit it or not, are nicer.

Lincoln's Black Label really did impress me when we looked. The interiors were pretty impressive but the rest of the car was horrible.

We checked out their 400hp MKZ with a really nice interior but then a seating position that was almost an inch to the left of the steering wheel. How the hell do you build a car where the seating position is not in the center of the wheel?

Old transmissions, no steering feel, etc.

Nicely wrapped present with a box of rocks inside.

For all of Porsche's crazy pricing if you spend sometime sitting in one easily one of the best put together cars on the market.

American cars have always been an exercise in compromise.

The ATS-V is a fantastic car to drive, drives and handles better than anything else in its class(although I do like the Alfa'a steering better), but the interior is ****. I'd own one right now but the interior quality is horrific for its class and price.

 

Porsche does make a terrific car, but crazy pricing is right. Those 100K Cayman S's are for real. The base Cayman S with no options, and I do mean nothing, is 68,750.00 including delivery/destination.

Still, I think Corvette should keep undercutting Cayman S's with a base car, but as the price climbs, really improve the quality, esp of the interior because that is what people see. I will say my Z51 2LT car has a nice interior, although maybe not quite Porsche standard at the same price point (the sticker on my loaded Z51 was about 3,500.00 higher than the figure for that stripper Cayman S I noted above).

Basically, a well-equipped Cayman S is a 100k car, and a well-equipped 911S is a 140K car. A Cayman S plays against a well-appointed Z06 and the 911S is way more expensive than any Corvette.