Give me the range and a reasonable recharge time (and a some strategically placed recharge stations). and I'm in 100%. No worry about dealership overfilling the oil either.

Take a peek at the video and tell me your ********* wouldn't be pulled into your abdomen after a run like that?:
https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...roduction-car/

I'll take the "light speed" scream (with the instant power) over the V8 rumble all day long.

 

Yep, at 76 I'm an old dude! But I went from a slip stick, to a Ti59 programable calculator, to the first PC in the OH (for our Lab and the local Radio Shack manager kept telling me you're getting the first one in the state as it was ~6 months late) to an IBM XT and Okidata printer for my home in 1985 (~$3500) and finally the first portable PC in our 1000 employee business location (well myself and the VP of IT!) Now have a desk top, laptop, large iPad and a silly iPhone! At 76 still have a part time, mostly Internet business and manage my own website BUT EVs ARE NOT THE BEST CURRENT SOLUTION, IMO!

First, 80 to 85% of the electricity in the country comes from hydrocarbons. Yep solar is 2% of the market and growing BUT it an wind are not going to replace hydrocarbon fuels overnight! Folks can make all the hockey stick curve projections they want BUT it won’t hake it happen.T

Second, the piston engine as mostly used in the US is only getting ~15% of the energy from the gasoline to propel the wheels. Of that ~15% about a third goes back to heat when braking! We can do much better. F1 has addressed the issue for he past 7+ years. they are using 1.6 Liter Turbo engines and a ~60 lb KERS system that delivers 160 HP. It does that with a ~30lb electric motor that becomes a generator when braking and stores some of that energy in a ~30lb battery. F1 no longer allows refueling AND are beating the race times for the same length races in some old tracks where 12 cylinder F1 cars required a number of fuel stops during the race! They have improved overall efficiency by over 50%

Yep we can do better than having ~30% of the energy in gasoline we burn going out the exhaust and another ~30% going into heating the air with fans an radiators! That ~15% wasted idling can also be reduced. We can also reover some of the wasted braking energy. IMO that is the next step while the energy grid figured out how to generate the electric power we need! Perhaps like France we can go to 75% Nuclear Power? IN THE US - NOT!!

Maybe NACSAR and IMSA can learn something from F1!

 

 

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But those who think the Government knows best and will take care of "everything" will not be buying Corvettes! Be like Venezuela, they will be lucky to find toilet paper!

 

Electric Corvette is a dead Corvette. Driving an electric car is about as fun as taking a long deep nap. Borrrrrrrringgggggg.

 

 

 

That we get most of our electricity from hydrocarbons is almost completely irrelevant to the issue of EV adaptation. Nobody really cares when they plug their EV in at night how the electricity gets there. That the grid needs to change out of hydrocarbons is a separate issue.

The hockey sticks you;re seeing these days are not projections. They are history. Look at the graph below: These are adaption rates of modern technologies from the telephone to the smartphone. Never have you seen in one place so many hockey sticks. It took about 100 years for the telephone to be considered universal. It was the same for electricity. Cars took about 60 years. TVs took about 15 years. Now look at PCs, cell phones, the Internet, digital cameras, etc. All took less than 10 years.



You'll notice that all these graphs have the same basic shape of an "S curve." They start out small and low, and then things start to take off. As implementation reaches critical mass adoption takes off exponentially. As the technology nears saturation the curve levels off at the top of the "S." This is typical and has been shown again and again and again. Now look at EV implementation over the last 10 years:



Look familiar? That curve is going through the roof. It's ALREADY exponential. I would maintain that the only reason it is still constrained is because of a lack of EVs available today, both in terms of price and in terms of choice. And with car companies betting their future on EVs: GM, Volvo, Porsche, VW, etc. this thing is about to take off. It's not really about old guys with Corvettes. But is anyone going to bet that the C9 will NOT be an EV? Of course it will.

 

I can see the point if you go on road trips all the time. I've got 20,000 miles on my 2017 and about 19,000 of that is road trips cross country. But the plain fact is that people do not go on constant road trips. They go to work and they come home. They go to the store and they come home They go to the mall and they come home. The government considers a LONG commute to be 50 miles round trip. The average is 16 miles. So what's with this range anxiety that claims it's 500 miles on a charge or no deal? That's illogical. It makes no sense. Now I know that inevitably we'll get people here who say, "Well, I commute a zillion miles a week and By God it will not work for me!" And my answer to these people is, "You're right. It won't work for YOU, but it isn't about YOU." But it will work for millions of people and considering averages (not outliers) that's most people and in that equation you do not count.

Next time you travel in heavy traffic or go down the freeway (Today I did in heavy rain on I-5. Jesus!) take a look at who you pass and who passes you. It's hundreds and thousands of "boring" cars, commuter cars, Prius and Subarus, Kias and Focus. They are $20-$30K Rav4's, hatchbacks, and junky uninspired "transportation devices." They are boring as hell. If someone stuck a battery in there instead of an internal combustion engine the drivers wouldn't even notice. THAT is the reality of the market we are dealing with here. The fact that you personally find EVs "boring" is irrelevant.

 

 

Being retired and not a cross country traveler an electric looks pretty appealing. We generally stay close to home, 25-50 mile trips. However we have a small cabin about 100 miles away which we like to visit and stay for a couple of days each week. A short range EV would not work for us in that regard, however I have been watching ranges increase to near and sometimes over 300 miles. At 300 miles the car would be somewhat viable if we limited travel once at our cabin. 350 mile range would be better and 400 miles would be a no-brainer.

Another consideration, and being a Florida resident, Hurricanes. Yes, rather rare, but have been through a number of them where we lost power for up to 13 days. No power, no travel w/ an electric. With a gasoline car, within a few days, we have stations up and pumping fuel, so mobility returns pretty quickly. Irma cost us a new roof so I checked into going off-grid w/ a solar roof. Tesla roof $100K and a GAF was about $60K. At our age could not see a return on investment so we went was a direct replacement.

I will wait and see how tech improves and prices fall. Since we plan on always having two cars, I foresee an electric of some sort parked next to a gasoline car. If the electric happen to be a Hyper-powered Corvette, that would be fine. There is a dedicated effort by car manufacturers to produce electric cars and that trend will continue to increase going forward. Gas power cars are not suddenly going to go away, but we will see longer range and lower priced electrics that will make sense for many to own. For folks in my situation, an electric and gas car sharing duty would be a great alternative too. There will likely be a small sector where an electric won't make sense unless they have the range of an gas powered car and a very short recharge time w/ plenty of power stations sprinkled along the interstates and around town.

I think it's foolish to dismiss the electric cars potential out of hand. I liken it to the first gas cars competing with horse travel. Many would say, where to I get fuel for this new contraption?. How do I get through with out improved roads? My horse can stop to eat grass anywhere along the way or "clomp" through any mud hole, with this horseless carriage, I'm stuck.....but as we know, things do change.

 

GM is designing vehicles for the future not the past. The millennials often view cars and vehicles in general as simply modes of transportation. In fact many living in urban environments don't own a vehicle. Electric vehicles may well appeal to them. The market for high performance vehicles, especially 2 seaters, is quite limited.

 

In order for electric to completely replace gas, there would need to be a battery about the size of a brick that would have a backup charge (runs for say 200 miles) that would be easy to get to and replace in a vehicle (ie. almost everyone can put gas in a car. This would be the same idea. You buy a car, you are shown how to replace the backup battery) so that you could get out of harm's way in case of power failure/natural disaster.

 

You raise and interesting point for those who have to occasionally deal with "hurricanes"

When they say evacuate around here (Myrtle Beach, Charleston area,) it can be bumper to bumper traffic for a long time as cars leave. Like leaving the Keys in FL! Not to good if all one has is an EV! Worse EV's stuck on the road could hold all others up!

 

Well then you'd better keep your gasser just in case there is a hurricane. In the last five years my house has been without power for a grand total of five days. Good Lord, you guys are so full of excuses it makes the head swim. The fact is the country (not YOU, for Heaven's Sakes) is going to convert to EVs faster than you can say, "Hey wait a minute! Where are all the gas stations?" I picture you on the street corner, a puzzled look on your face, with a gas can in your hand and question marks above your head as the EVs whiz on by you. Just like I'm going to keep my polluting diesel Duramax until they pry it out of my cold, dead fingers. The C9 will be an EV. You have that long before the world passes you by.

 

 

I am going to jump in here. Big Dave has it nailed, Millenal's are buying Model 3's and other EV's like crazy. I owned a detail shop in Silicon Valley where we did well over 1000+ EV's Not ONE customer ever took their car to a drag strip and complained about the drain. Did they drag them, you bet for fun to see what it could do, but they did not buy the car for that purpose.
Concerns over the race track and drag strip are, as a guess worried about by <.01% of the public
As far as range, it is really getting there. Had a customer take his Model X 100D with his 2 boys, age 9 and 11 on a very cool trip in the Southwest. They went from San Francisco to Joshua Tree National Monument(513 miles) and only stopped once for a charge that took 1.5 hours which was late lunch.
Full charge overnight at the hotel, then pent the day running around Joshua Tree. Recharge at the hotel overnight.
The took of for Bryce Canyon in Utah.(445 miles) with one stop for a charge for 1.5 hours and lunch.
Pulled into the hotel got charged up overnight and spent the day traveling all around Bryce.
Got back t the hotel, recharged overnight and left for Zion National Park(73 miles)
Now Zion is difficult to drive in as they force you on shuttles, but you park in a very close town with chargers, get recharged and spend the day on shuttles.
Spent the night near ZIon, then left for Death Valley(364 miles)
Went through Vegas and recharged for 1.5 hours and lunch.
Spent time in Death Valley and stayed in a little town outside called Beatty where one of the hotels has a supercharger.
Spent the night, headed back to San Francisco(378 miles) with one 1.5 hour stop for lunch along I-5 where there are more chargers than you can count.
I didn't believe it myself, until he showed me his route.
Bottom line: They traveled some of the most desolates areas in the West with and EV with no issues at all.
So for those that worry about the track, no one really cares that buys an EV
Worried about long distances, my customers do it all the time with no issues and consider the charging stop a nice break
A vast majority drive from San Francisco to LA/San Diego a 350-500 mile trip all the time with a single lunch stop for a charge.
In all of those customers, I never had a single one regret buying an EV, in fact they all seemed to be incredibly enthusiastic about them.
Will leave it at that

 

We have a new development about 40 Miles North of us called Babcock Ranch. Google it.

A 100% Solar community (planned 20K homes). Only place in Florida that did not lose power during Irma (all underground utilities from solar farm to homes). All homes built to the latest hurricane standards (no homes took damage during Irma). Very cool concept, with lakes, bike and walking trails, wildlife area, autonomous shuttles, each home wired w/ 1 GB Internet, All outdoor pavilions have solar roofs and charging.

 

Convenience……….yes you an drive a EV on a road trip, if you want to give up convenience for having an EV. With an EV, eat next to a Tesla Supercharger no matter if's a greasy spoon(or plug your Tesla in and then walk a mile in the rain/snow to a decent restaurant while your tesla is charging.

Saturday, Aug 5, 2017 at the Tesla Supercharger in Little Rock, Arkansas. I wonder how long a Tesla owner waited until one of those ICE's left the crowded shopping center(where parking is in short supply).





Sure, you can say it wasn't very nice of those ICE owners/shoppers but they also have the right to park in the shopping center parking lot where they WANT to shop on a Saturday.

I can also post up a photo of a Tesla Supercharger in Dallas where it is full of Tesla's being charged with a waiting line of 5-6 additional Teslas waiting for a charger to become available. So much for that "quick charge"

In both those instances, an ICE owner can just drive across the street to a gas station and fill up in 5 minutes and be on his way.