Ring time conspiracy theory
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That is a seriously bad statement about Porsche, gotta love that German engineering!
I guess the 911 boys don't care about "Ring" times either.
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Wow, thee almighty 911S costs at least twice as much as a Corvette GS and can only manage to edge a GS by a second or so in an event that takes almost 8 minutes, sorry to the statisticians here but that is a tie.
This is testimonial to and another perfect example of what a terrible value Porsche is. Pay double the money for the same performance, bend over fanboys!
This is testimonial to and another perfect example of what a terrible value Porsche is. Pay double the money for the same performance, bend over fanboys!
It also wasn't "double the money".
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You are correct. Some guys buy the GS for less than half the price of the 911S. Good point.
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Wow, thee almighty 911S costs at least twice as much as a Corvette GS and can only manage to edge a GS by a second or so in an event that takes almost 8 minutes, sorry to the statisticians here but that is a tie.
This is testimonial to and another perfect example of what a terrible value Porsche is. Pay double the money for the same performance, bend over fanboys!
This is testimonial to and another perfect example of what a terrible value Porsche is. Pay double the money for the same performance, bend over fanboys!
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The statistics posted above for 911S are not much of an endorsement.
Doesn't seem as if the Porsche faithful care about "Ring" times either, maybe they just ignore them.I guess somebody cares, seems like a number of guys here do.
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In reference to your other post the 8 is red because it's the C8 Corvette.
The NSX is a fantastic car that horribly missed it's intended market. They can't sell them.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...ura/acura-nsx/
2018 - 170
2017 - 581
2016 - 269
The NSX is the Harvard business case study on why the C8 will be a $60K base car.
The NSX is a fantastic car that horribly missed it's intended market. They can't sell them.
http://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sales...ura/acura-nsx/
2018 - 170
2017 - 581
2016 - 269
The NSX is the Harvard business case study on why the C8 will be a $60K base car.
The current NSX benchmarked the Ferrari 458, but due to a long gestation, it came out when the 458 was replaced by the 488, and now that platform has been giving a lifeline in the form of the F8.
Yet, the NSX really is the performance bargain, it provides a hybrid experience much like the Porsche 918 Spyder, and it’s performance numbers are on par with the 991 Turbo/S.
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FWIW, I've seen more McLarens in the wilds of Michigan than I have NSXs. I can't in good faith use the NSX as a case study for anything regarding success or failure in the auto world.
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Huh? The car is a complete flop from a sales/marketing perspective. You can learn a ton from Acura's long drawn out gestation of the car, changing the core power-train of the car and starting over right as it was about to be ready etc. etc.
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We usually get two NSX a gold (don't ask) & a black at our Cars & Coffee. They are out numbered by Ferrari, McLaren & Aston Martin. Acura is now "renting out" is NSX line for a limited run hand assembled special edition $50K TLX sedan
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I think there is a huge "it depends" there. What was Acura's goal? Was it to sell a ton of them? Surely not, they knew it wouldn't sell like hotcakes at that price point. But if they were positioning it as a brand statement in terms of what they could do, they did that pretty well. Whether or not it is worth it... I'm not sure anyone here knows. But I'm not sure it can be immediately labeled a marketing flop.
It's actually a pretty freakin cool car IMHO.
It's actually a pretty freakin cool car IMHO.
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I think there is a huge "it depends" there. What was Acura's goal? Was it to sell a ton of them? Surely not, they knew it wouldn't sell like hotcakes at that price point. But if they were positioning it as a brand statement in terms of what they could do, they did that pretty well. Whether or not it is worth it... I'm not sure anyone here knows. But I'm not sure it can be immediately labeled a marketing flop.
It's actually a pretty freakin cool car IMHO.
It's actually a pretty freakin cool car IMHO.
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If lap times don't matter why is Porsche taking their GT2 RS all over the country, setting production car lap records, and bragging about it all over social media?
Will the success of the marketing be based solely on a lap time? No way... but is it a nice feather in the cap? Yes, very much so.
Will the success of the marketing be based solely on a lap time? No way... but is it a nice feather in the cap? Yes, very much so.
Marketing a specific performance figure is risky because there's always somebody faster. All they have to do is quote a better number to turn your own argument against you.
If Chevy were to organize their product launch marketing around a lap time, it ought to be something truly historic, not merely a very fast time. The first Corvette in the sixes, perhaps.
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The GT2 set the Nurburgring production car lap record. Road courses are its raison d'être. That, I think, is a different situation.
Marketing a specific performance figure is risky because there's always somebody faster. All they have to do is quote a better number to turn your own argument against you.
If Chevy were to organize their product launch marketing around a lap time, it ought to be something truly historic, not merely a very fast time. The first Corvette in the sixes, perhaps.
Marketing a specific performance figure is risky because there's always somebody faster. All they have to do is quote a better number to turn your own argument against you.
If Chevy were to organize their product launch marketing around a lap time, it ought to be something truly historic, not merely a very fast time. The first Corvette in the sixes, perhaps.
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And yet for being a flop, it is still in production, still being marketed, still being sold. I really have no idea what to make of it. To me, it us kinda like a 4C, something that exists but is such an anomoly that I really can't spend any time trying to figure out in regards of a larger market perspective. I don't think any correlation exists.
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I think lap times definitely matter on all types of racing. The Vette has been great on a number of different types of tracks including drag. Easy mods and you’re pumping out serious power. I do track all my cars so maybe thats why but I like to know the limits of the car I’m driving in various venues. So, yes track times matters and I think when you’re comparing performance cars don’t you want to know what it’s capable of and how it stacks up. Isn’t that like in the car guy code
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Boy, were they wrong.
And GM could be just as wrong with the mid engine Corvette. No doubt it will sell more than 20 a month, but 3,300 a month could be too much of a stretch.
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Faster than probably most can push a car but it’s still fun to talk about. Just DCT alone, if it’s worth its salt will shave off time for just about any driver. Plenty of topics on engine placement. This car should be faster than a c7 Z06. I agree with poster above make a statement with this car. The Z06 version needs to be close to the viper acr the ZR1 needs to beat the GT3 RS. If there’s the alleged high horsepower Zora or option then has be close to the 2rs. If you’re going to make a statement.
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I was skeptical at first, but the video really seems to suggest it. I would be poor marketing to setup the video like that and then come out with a 7:2X time. My wager is the car ran the time and then the 7/18 date was chosen accordingly. They're playing from a new playbook now that the car was delayed from the original January reveal plan.
A logical post... the OP’s original post... not so much.