C8 Z model
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From: Madison Wi
C8 Z model
Whatever the model(s) are called - Zora, Z06 or ZR1
My "guesses":
The cast chassis components will be magnesium.
That structural carbon fiber rear impact bar in the base model is a teaser. Higher models will utilize more CF in the chassis.
Most of or perhaps the entire body offered in carbon fiber panels.
Twin turbo powerplant rated at 800hp.
base exhaust manifolds are packaged in such a way that turbos can be placed in similar locations.
Air to water intercooler - you can see the dummy spot for the reservoir cap on the left side of the engine bay opposite the engine coolant cap.
Central backbone houses a battery for a 200hp front AWD system.
1000hp model integrates 800hp twin turbo gasoline engine with 200hp AWD system.
Titanium exhaust will make a comeback
Top dog model priced ~150k with all these goodies.
My "guesses":
The cast chassis components will be magnesium.
That structural carbon fiber rear impact bar in the base model is a teaser. Higher models will utilize more CF in the chassis.
Most of or perhaps the entire body offered in carbon fiber panels.
Twin turbo powerplant rated at 800hp.
base exhaust manifolds are packaged in such a way that turbos can be placed in similar locations.
Air to water intercooler - you can see the dummy spot for the reservoir cap on the left side of the engine bay opposite the engine coolant cap.
Central backbone houses a battery for a 200hp front AWD system.
1000hp model integrates 800hp twin turbo gasoline engine with 200hp AWD system.
Titanium exhaust will make a comeback
Top dog model priced ~150k with all these goodies.
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https://www.onallcylinders.com/2019/...gm-lt-engines/. We like your thinking. Can’t weld Mag to aluminum though, so we’ll have to see if there are sub-assemblies where it would make sense.
Last edited by briannutter1; Jul 20, 2019 at 09:43 PM.
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I can’t wait to see the Z cars. I just hope they sound good. Turbos usually mute the sound, however Mercedes seems to have it down on getting an awesome sounding turbo V8 on the AMG GTR. Hopefully GM can do the same.
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https://www.onallcylinders.com/2019/...gm-lt-engines/. We like your thinking. Can’t weld Mag to aluminum though, so we’ll have to see if there are sub-assemblies where it would make sense.
Looking at the cutaways of the new chassis - not a lot of welds to see. mostly rivets.
Last edited by TraceZ; Jul 21, 2019 at 12:30 AM.
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It's been common since the C6 for the Z cars to have material upgrades in their chassis over the base model.
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I think the C8 Z06 will have 675-700 hp and have a base MSRP of $80k. I also believe it will be very easy to option one out at $100k and not check anywhere close to all of the boxes
Give me the same recipe as I currently have on my C7Z (2LZ, full aero, a big **** and comp seats) at less than $95k and I’m probably in.
Give me the same recipe as I currently have on my C7Z (2LZ, full aero, a big **** and comp seats) at less than $95k and I’m probably in.
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I think the C8 Z06 will have 675-700 hp and have a base MSRP of $80k. I also believe it will be very easy to option one out at $100k and not check anywhere close to all of the boxes
Give me the same recipe as I currently have on my C7Z (2LZ, full aero, a big **** and comp seats) at less than $95k and I’m probably in.
Give me the same recipe as I currently have on my C7Z (2LZ, full aero, a big **** and comp seats) at less than $95k and I’m probably in.
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I do not think the C8 Z06 will have less or equal power to the C7 Z06. My guess is it will push somewhere around the high 700's or low 800's. Can you imagine? I'm definitely ready!
Melting Slicks
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The new ME configuration opens up lots of opportunities -
I’d love to see a DOHC 7L NA motor for the Z06 and keep the FI for the ZR1 or whatever they call it. With the ME design, there is plenty of room for DOHC heads as they are no longer constrained by hood height. In reality the Z06 will probably get the blackwing.
It would be nice if the Z06 could shave some weight from the base stingray weight but I’m not going to hold my breath - at best the weight savings will offset the added weight of the additional cooling and FI... Shaving off more weight than this costs quite a bit of money but who knows?
my wishlist -
1. Active aero
2. 5% or more weight savings including CF wheels as an option
3. Manual transmission option
4. Standard cosmetic enhancements - not sure it needs to get much wider.
5. Rethink of Torque Management if we do not get 3. TM kills the performance of these cars when it intervenes. Overbuild the drivetrain so that we can extract the performance from these cars all of the time.
I’d love to see a DOHC 7L NA motor for the Z06 and keep the FI for the ZR1 or whatever they call it. With the ME design, there is plenty of room for DOHC heads as they are no longer constrained by hood height. In reality the Z06 will probably get the blackwing.
It would be nice if the Z06 could shave some weight from the base stingray weight but I’m not going to hold my breath - at best the weight savings will offset the added weight of the additional cooling and FI... Shaving off more weight than this costs quite a bit of money but who knows?
my wishlist -
1. Active aero
2. 5% or more weight savings including CF wheels as an option
3. Manual transmission option
4. Standard cosmetic enhancements - not sure it needs to get much wider.
5. Rethink of Torque Management if we do not get 3. TM kills the performance of these cars when it intervenes. Overbuild the drivetrain so that we can extract the performance from these cars all of the time.
Drifting
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You guys are crazy and way too optimistic lol. You have to understand how scaling works.
The C8 Z06 will not have 800 horsepower.
It just wont and there is no chance of that. The previous Z06 had 650hp and you will not see an increase of 150hp between these generations. Yes you saw one between the C6Z and C7Z, but that’s because the car put on 500lbs and had to make up for that.
This new C8Z will have a better handling platform and won’t need to substitute in more power to make up for handling and weight. Expect a modest gain with an output in the low 700’s for horsepower but on the new chassis, the improvements will be immense. Then look for a ZR1 putting out around 800-820 down the line, not 1000hp.
Because remember, they still have to be able to top that product next generation. They build in increments by design, that’s why businesses like Apple make so much money.
The C8 Z06 will not have 800 horsepower.
It just wont and there is no chance of that. The previous Z06 had 650hp and you will not see an increase of 150hp between these generations. Yes you saw one between the C6Z and C7Z, but that’s because the car put on 500lbs and had to make up for that.
This new C8Z will have a better handling platform and won’t need to substitute in more power to make up for handling and weight. Expect a modest gain with an output in the low 700’s for horsepower but on the new chassis, the improvements will be immense. Then look for a ZR1 putting out around 800-820 down the line, not 1000hp.
Because remember, they still have to be able to top that product next generation. They build in increments by design, that’s why businesses like Apple make so much money.
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There are some really profitable sweet spots between those two numbers. I think we will see some nice incremental improvements in power and like I keep saying, I'm in for the first one around 600 hp without the noise and throttle response-ruining turbos.