Taking over a C8 order
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I think you are misinterpreting what I said and maybe I said it poorly. You cannot go to the dealer, sign all the paperwork in the name of John Smith, receive the title paperwork, and then take that to the license bureau and title it in the name Joe Blow without paying taxes a second time. Obviously you can show up at the dealership and ask that the vehicle paperwork and buyer's order be done in the Joe Blow name to begin with.
There are a number of legitimate reasons that may occur other than a domestic partner. You could claim the second party to be a business partner you are buying the car for, a friend who is helping you not have the car taken in a divorce, and many other scenarios that most dealers would appreciate and participate in.
There are a number of legitimate reasons that may occur other than a domestic partner. You could claim the second party to be a business partner you are buying the car for, a friend who is helping you not have the car taken in a divorce, and many other scenarios that most dealers would appreciate and participate in.
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Actually you can, but depends on what state. Here in AZ, I can purchase a car in a private sale (or sell as a private seller) and not pay sales tax. In the case of AZ the first guy is going to pay sales tax anyway on the new purchase and from a dealer. Then walk into MVD and private sell it to the second guy w/o any tax consequences.
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Yes, I realize that, and I think you misinterpreted what I said, which is exactly the same thing you said in bold above.
Every time I've purchased a new vehicle (more than 5 dozen times now), I've been asked how I wanted the vehicle titled. I simply suggested that the person wanting the car go to delivery day with the person who ordered the car, and request that the title be put in the name of the person actually purchasing the car. As I said, I did this several times with my then girlfriend.
There is nothing illegal about that. It is not about one individual purchasing the car and then transferring it to a different name. The person who ordered the car hasn't purchased it yet.
If the dealer balks thinking he can make more money putting it in stock for sale, they have the legal right to do so, and then if there is a non-refundable deposit involved the ordering person who no longer wants the car has a decision to make.
Every time I've purchased a new vehicle (more than 5 dozen times now), I've been asked how I wanted the vehicle titled. I simply suggested that the person wanting the car go to delivery day with the person who ordered the car, and request that the title be put in the name of the person actually purchasing the car. As I said, I did this several times with my then girlfriend.
There is nothing illegal about that. It is not about one individual purchasing the car and then transferring it to a different name. The person who ordered the car hasn't purchased it yet.
If the dealer balks thinking he can make more money putting it in stock for sale, they have the legal right to do so, and then if there is a non-refundable deposit involved the ordering person who no longer wants the car has a decision to make.
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Actually you can, but depends on what state. Here in AZ, I can purchase a car in a private sale (or sell as a private seller) and not pay sales tax. In the case of AZ the first guy is going to pay sales tax anyway on the new purchase and from a dealer. Then walk into MVD and private sell it to the second guy w/o any tax consequences.
Even in the States without tax, there are still laws against skipping over putting the title into each purchasers name.
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I wasn't proposing anything illegal in AZ. Original buyer completes the sale with the dealer, then sells it right afterwards as a private sale to the second guy. Nothing illegal as there is no time limit imposed on when a buyer can sell a car he purchases. Only delay might be imposed by "paperwork" - how long it takes the state to title the new car (about 2 weeks in AZ). As soon as the title is received, the first buyer can sell it immediately as a private sale.
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Actually, there's no sales tax paid at time of transaction on private sales in most states. Sales taxes are almost always paid as part of the title/registration process after a private sale in most states.
But, that's not what's being talked about here. It's about changing the name from the person ordering the car to the person interested in the car before the car is sold in the first place as a new car. Otherwise, sales tax would be paid twice.
But, that's not what's being talked about here. It's about changing the name from the person ordering the car to the person interested in the car before the car is sold in the first place as a new car. Otherwise, sales tax would be paid twice.
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Originally Posted by EViL427
Personally, I'd wait for the car to arrive, go to the dealership together, and just let them put it in your name. With the the commonality of domestic partnerships these days, I seriously doubt anyone would raise an eyebrow. 
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Yes, being straight is exactly what I, Jallen, Evil, and others proposed. The question is one of timing.
If the ordering person tells the dealer before the car is even received that he doesn't want it, the dealer will try to find a new buyer. If he goes to the dealer on delivery day with his friend saying he wants the title and paperwork done in a different name, that's still being straight with the dealer, who can either agree or refuse to do so.
The probability of success in getting the car in the hands of the friend is best that way, and the dealer still does the same financial deal he would have done originally. It's also the best way of avoiding a possible non-refundable deposit forfeiture.
Lastly, it is 100% legal in all states.
If the ordering person tells the dealer before the car is even received that he doesn't want it, the dealer will try to find a new buyer. If he goes to the dealer on delivery day with his friend saying he wants the title and paperwork done in a different name, that's still being straight with the dealer, who can either agree or refuse to do so.
The probability of success in getting the car in the hands of the friend is best that way, and the dealer still does the same financial deal he would have done originally. It's also the best way of avoiding a possible non-refundable deposit forfeiture.
Lastly, it is 100% legal in all states.
Last edited by Foosh; Jul 14, 2020 at 05:07 PM.
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Yes, being straight is exactly what I, Jallen, Evil, and others proposed. The question is one of timing.
If the ordering person tells the dealer before the car is even received that he doesn't want it, the dealer will try to find a new buyer. If he goes to the dealer on delivery day with his friend saying he wants the title and paperwork done in a different name, that's still being straight with the dealer, who can either agree or refuse to do so.
The probability of success in getting the car in the hands of the friend is best that way, and the dealer still does the same financial deal he would have done originally. It's also the best way of avoiding a possible non-refundable deposit forfeiture.
Lastly, it is 100% legal in all states.
If the ordering person tells the dealer before the car is even received that he doesn't want it, the dealer will try to find a new buyer. If he goes to the dealer on delivery day with his friend saying he wants the title and paperwork done in a different name, that's still being straight with the dealer, who can either agree or refuse to do so.
The probability of success in getting the car in the hands of the friend is best that way, and the dealer still does the same financial deal he would have done originally. It's also the best way of avoiding a possible non-refundable deposit forfeiture.
Lastly, it is 100% legal in all states.
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Jallen,
I respect your expertise as a long-time dealership owner, but it seems to me he hasn't purchased anything in his name. As I said above, I've ordered vehicles in my name, but when we showed up together for delivery, my girlfriend at the time paid for and had the car titled in her name. She wanted me to do the ordering for her because I have more experience in vehicle purchases.
I don't see how it's "jumping title" if he hasn't purchased the car yet, which doesn't happened until delivery.
I respect your expertise as a long-time dealership owner, but it seems to me he hasn't purchased anything in his name. As I said above, I've ordered vehicles in my name, but when we showed up together for delivery, my girlfriend at the time paid for and had the car titled in her name. She wanted me to do the ordering for her because I have more experience in vehicle purchases.
I don't see how it's "jumping title" if he hasn't purchased the car yet, which doesn't happened until delivery.
If it were me and I wanted to guarantee no hiccups, let the friend buy and title the car in his name, then sell it to the OP of this thread. I'd also like to know what state this car is being purchased in, and eventually titled.
Last edited by AORoads; Jul 14, 2020 at 10:37 PM.
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OK, but that means both pay sales tax, which is an extra $5K hit to the ultimate buyer, plus additional title and registration fees.
Placing an order is not a purchase contract, which is executed at delivery. Placing an order is not a contract at all. Otherwise, all those who ordered 2020 C8s and won't get them could sue GM for breach of contract. Thus, it would be perfectly legal in any state to title the car in anyone's name.
Placing an order is not a purchase contract, which is executed at delivery. Placing an order is not a contract at all. Otherwise, all those who ordered 2020 C8s and won't get them could sue GM for breach of contract. Thus, it would be perfectly legal in any state to title the car in anyone's name.
Last edited by Foosh; Jul 15, 2020 at 01:51 PM.
