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Sorry to say, but our crazy Governor of Kali just issued an executive order to do just that. True a lot can happen between now and then, but I stand by my comment.
An executive order is not a law. The governor can’t make law like that. At this point it is really just a publicity stunt. It’s like when he stood in front of the forest fires and claimed it was proof of catastrophic global warming. Just words.
Since you're not looking for other opinions, does hydrogen qualify for being on topic? I think I like it better. Not sure it fits in the same space as electrics but it is an energy source.
An executive order is not a law. The governor can’t make law like that. At this point it is really just a publicity stunt. It’s like when he stood in front of the forest fires and claimed it was proof of catastrophic global warming. Just words.
You’re not from California are you? Well, here in Kali, chances anything related to the environment becoming law are fairly high. Why? Because legislature is in lock step with the governor in regards to anything perceived as beneficial to the environmental. Heck, when it does become law, it’ll probably set a precedent for the remaining country. I’m surprised it took this long, since there are countries who have already enacted similar laws. Kalifornia likes to be first in this regard.
Quite a lot can happen in 15 years. Maybe Kali will become a red state. I wish.
It's no secret GM wants to introduce some type of electrification to the C8.
But it looks like they have a long way to go to reach the heights of other manufacturers.
As in this craziness....a Tesla faster than a McLaren P1:
CA will ban new sales of ICE vehicles by 2035. Entire countries have banned future ICE sales as well. Writing is on the wall: alternatives fuel/EVs are the future. After reading power figures for some of the new EV vehicles, I can’t wait for a hybrid/EV Corvette.
Hybrid EV is banned, too. The rest of the country may enjoy theirs, but California will get a useless EV.
CA will ban new sales of ICE vehicles by 2035. Entire countries have banned future ICE sales as well. Writing is on the wall: alternatives fuel/EVs are the future. After reading power figures for some of the new EV vehicles, I can’t wait for a hybrid/EV Corvette.
There are very few of us outside of some short sighted fools who doubt that the future will be a conversion to EVs. What we don't need is some Liberal weasel like the governor of CA dictating anything in this regard as the market place will drive the changeover and not some pompous "I know whats best for you" politician with an agenda of social engineering. Maybe "Gavin" should learn how to put out the fires started by his cohorts and their loser policies.
Hybrid EV is banned, too. The rest of the country may enjoy theirs, but California will get a useless EV.
It's ok I currently have a useless EV (as you put it) that I use every day and it is not a hybrid. The reality is that if the C8 does not go hybrid or full electric only the 5% of owners that road course their cars are going to suffer. The rest of the 0-60 and 1/4 fan clubs are going to be extremely pleased with other manufacturers product. The S model is a luxury car. By 2021/22 the "Plaid" model will seat 5 people, do 0-60 in 2 secs, 1/4 mile in 9s, and have over a 500 mile range. I have owned many Vettes...but GM better get with the program or both of mine are going up for sale soon. Everybody is raving about the C8 0-60 time...that is old news to a Tesla owner. The C8 really only outshines other cars in looks and on the road course...for the money.
It's ok I currently have a useless EV (as you put it) that I use every day and it is not a hybrid. The reality is that if the C8 does not go hybrid or full electric only the 5% of owners that road course their cars are going to suffer. The rest of the 0-60 and 1/4 fan clubs are going to be extremely pleased with other manufacturers product. The S model is a luxury car. By 2021/22 the "Plaid" model will seat 5 people, do 0-60 in 2 secs, 1/4 mile in 9s, and have over a 500 mile range. I have owned many Vettes...but GM better get with the program or both of mine are going up for sale soon. Everybody is raving about the C8 0-60 time...that is old news to a Tesla owner. The C8 really only outshines other cars in looks and on the road course...for the money.
This Tesla stuff is simply amazing. A premium level 4 door sedan that does a 9 second 1/4 mile. Lets get a Corvette that performs like that ASAP. The minute percentage of Corvette road racing boys can get a Miata or some other go cart at that point. 2 seconds 0-60, that is insane. Technology is changing our world faster than most of us can comprehend.
Since you're not looking for other opinions, does hydrogen qualify for being on topic? I think I like it better. Not sure it fits in the same space as electrics but it is an energy source.
I'm really surprised Hydrogen hasn't taken off more with Toyota having a model out for nearly a decade. I think part of the challenge is finding locations that can make hydrogen or it has to be trucked in by tanker. I have been on calls with engineers from Switzerland about hydrogen hybrid locomotives and San Bernardino has a pilot DMU Hydrogen powered locomotive they are going to be using. They are true zero emission but there are still challenges.
There is nothing wrong with an EV or hybrid Vette as long as they are additional models and not replacements. GM will kill Vette sales if it is the only option and they know it.
There is nothing wrong with an EV or hybrid Vette as long as they are additional models and not replacements. GM will kill Vette sales if it is the only option and they know it.
Sooooo...................I'm guessing no manual in the near future for corvette? lolzzzz
I've finally accepted that manuals are dead or at least on life support. BMW still offers them on their M3/M4 models and Porsche on the 911. I doubt we will ever see another manual Corvette.
I've finally accepted that manuals are dead or at least on life support. BMW still offers them on their M3/M4 models and Porsche on the 911. I doubt we will ever see another manual Corvette.
Yup! Agreed!
I love manual. But not enough to NOT fully embrace how good auto is now. How convenient it is. How it can double both daily and weekend fun/casual driving. It's the best of both worlds.
When you love driving a manual during your days off or on the weekend, you hate when you're commuting in traffic, and here comes the performance auto to save the day!!
I guess we can finally put it to rest that GM will bring out another manual. I suppose of people here really want a manual Z, they actually can order one. But they'll have to visit their nissan dealer to get it. The nissan 400Z!!! lolllzzzzz
There is nothing wrong with an EV or hybrid Vette as long as they are additional models and not replacements. GM will kill Vette sales if it is the only option and they know it.
Well, maybe. But a lot of Corv. sales are in CA. So, if you can't sell or buy a non-EV there that's a big chunk of sales. It could be a gradual thing to get to by 2035.
It's ok I currently have a useless EV (as you put it) that I use every day and it is not a hybrid. The reality is that if the C8 does not go hybrid or full electric only the 5% of owners that road course their cars are going to suffer. The rest of the 0-60 and 1/4 fan clubs are going to be extremely pleased with other manufacturers product. The S model is a luxury car. By 2021/22 the "Plaid" model will seat 5 people, do 0-60 in 2 secs, 1/4 mile in 9s, and have over a 500 mile range. I have owned many Vettes...but GM better get with the program or both of mine are going up for sale soon. Everybody is raving about the C8 0-60 time...that is old news to a Tesla owner. The C8 really only outshines other cars in looks and on the road course...for the money.
Do EV people just hang around the city, and punch the throttle occasionally to impress themselves with the acceleration? I'm going for a drive this Sunday in the mountains, and there is no way an EV could do it. The battery would be dead out in the middle nowhere. Even better I can do this in a car that a small fraction of $140,000+.
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I'm really surprised Hydrogen hasn't taken off more with Toyota having a model out for nearly a decade. I think part of the challenge is finding locations that can make hydrogen or it has to be trucked in by tanker. I have been on calls with engineers from Switzerland about hydrogen hybrid locomotives and San Bernardino has a pilot DMU Hydrogen powered locomotive they are going to be using. They are true zero emission but there are still challenges.
I think it is mostly because there aren't enough hydrogen stations. Hydrogen stations are still fairly expensive to build. Here is California, they have also had hydrogen shortages. Also the manufacturers of hydrogen cars won't lease hydrogen cars unless the person resides in their "approved" area. Even though I am only 10 miles from a hydrogen station, Hyundai would not lease me a Nexo, because I am not in L.A. County. Why would I want to lease a Nexo? Because it is a nice looking SUV with great features, with a lease price that includes the hydrogen. The cost per mile was unbeatable.
Last edited by Michael A; Sep 25, 2020 at 10:58 PM.
Do EV people just hang around the city, and punch the throttle occasionally to impress themselves with the acceleration? I'm going for a drive this Sunday in the mountains, and there is no way an EV could do it. The battery would be dead out in the middle nowhere. Even better I can do this in a car that a small fraction of $140,000+.
I can't speak for every EV owner but commuting 100 miles a day I definitely get on it, especially if I'm trying to get around a transfer truck or if some lazy Mopar...normal a Dodge Challenger with a scat pack thinking they are fast when the light turns green.
When I take weekend cruises in either of my Vettes I'm lucky if I turn much over 100 miles. Probably why I only have 5000 miles on my C7Z and 1500 on my C8 and I got it in March. I take them out for spirited drives and then park them. If you are in Ventura and owned an EV like a Telsa, most likely you are close to 118 or 126 and could get to Magic Mountain Prkwy or Thousand Oaks where there are superchargers. My favorite gas station is off of Chesebro and 101 where the station sells 100 octane at the pump...or at least they used to. But don't knock a Tesla until you drive and experience one...it is what ignorant people do that don't understand the technology and you don't appear to be one of those.
Originally Posted by Michael A
I think it is mostly because there aren't enough hydrogen stations. Hydrogen stations are still fairly expensive to build. Here is California, they have also had hydrogen shortages. Also the manufacturers of hydrogen cars won't lease hydrogen cars unless the person resides in their "approved" area. Even though I am only 10 miles from a hydrogen station, Hyundai would not lease me a Nexo, because I am not in L.A. County. Why would I want to lease a Nexo? Because it is a nice looking SUV with great features, with a lease price that includes the hydrogen. The cost per mile was unbeatable.
Completely agree.
Last edited by Shinobi'sZ; Sep 25, 2020 at 10:57 PM.
Since you're not looking for other opinions, does hydrogen qualify for being on topic? I think I like it better. Not sure it fits in the same space as electrics but it is an energy source.
Toyota, the maker of the best hybrid/EV models in the world, is concentrating on Hydrogen instead of electric.
