Toyota has redesigned the hydrogen powered Marai for 2021. It is going to be rear drive, have more power, and have 400 miles of range.

 

Maybe GM should partner with Tesla:

Forbes: Tesla’s $25,000 Electric Car Means Game Over For Gas And Oil.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmo...r-gas-and-oil/

 

Electric is the future and i hope more manufacturers get onboard with this technology. They all SHOULD partner with tesla.

But i've driven teslas and of course they're fast because they're electric. The only issue i have with them is that the quality blows and they're ugly as ****.

So if other manufactures can make amazing looking EV's. IE: GM making an EV corvette already, that would be awesome because if they can make an all EV from the looks of the C8 (i guess the C9??), then this will make tesla want to redesign or create more models that actually look good. All their models look like clay moldings. Regardless if the design is for a reason, they look like ****.

 

More EV hyperbole. Let us know when Tesla builds a car that can be recharged from 0 to 100% in five minutes like I did my gasoline car last night.

 

And more scenario based non sense where you are applying one situation to apply for all conditions. I plug my Tesla in at night, it charges automatically after mid night and is done by time I wake up and am ready to go to work. It actually only takes 2.5 hours to charge at night with a my wall charger (240v, 44 miles per hour) to recharge the 100 miles I put on it a day. The range is 300 miles, I could go every other day but prefer to keep it topped off....and no gas needed.

Most people don't go out for a pleasure drive and drive over 200 miles, so while it's true I had to wait 40 mins to Supercharger when I was driving from Sacramento to San Diego each time I charged (and it did suck having to do it 3x during that trip) it was a 500 mile one way trip, without regenerative braking, and traveling mostly at 80 mph which anything over 65 drains the battery much quicker. I am driving to San Diego next month and am taking my Duramax and I won't have to fill up until I get there.

With the latest battery technology Tesla just announced last week...1/2 the weight and quicker charging...the new range is over 500 miles for the S. If I have to stop once on a 500 mile trip and eat while the car is Supercharging I don't see that as a bad thing.

But again as an intelligent being your comments are ignorant on the subject matter, and your scenarios for your opinion are cookie cutter based on if you drove the car 300 miles a day and then needed to stop and recharge somewhere other than home for less than 5 mins. Which is asinine.

 

Agreed.

Electric is the future whether we like it or not. But people have always said, "don't buy a first year of ANY model, let the bugs get sorted out first" right?

Well i think that type of mentality could be applied here. A performance tesla isn't cheap. And if you live in commufornia, getting a tesla now, even if it's just the base one, is a no brainer.

But fact is, there's not enough charging stations, performance tesla's aren't cheap and there's still lots of improvement that's needed for everyone to WANT to jump on board. Why are we rushing to do so now? I know i'm not. I couldn't care less if i run into that clay molding tesla SUV that wipes the floor with my C7Z, lots of cars are faster than my C7Z. Hell if i run into the new GT500 that car would spank my car too lol.

In a couple of decades, there will be a slew of EV cars to choose from. Cars that don't look like **** like all tesla's. And they'll be in all price ranges, all styling, with MUCH improved battery technology. By that time, charging your car will be as fast, or maybe even faster, than going to the gas station and filling up.

ICE cars are too convenient to give up. You have to alter your lifestyle to accommodate an EV car.

"hey babe, sorry about our date, i'll pick you up in about an hour because i forgot to charge my tesla. Don't worry, it say 48 minutes left to 100%, then we can go on that road trip!! But the road trip can't be too far, because i'm not sure if there's charging stations at our destination."

lolllzzz

 

I gotta say, to me, it sounds like a winner. Maybe as much as all-EV. Maybe more. I really don't know, yet.

 

I find your spelling of the state of California disrespectful. Not surprised, just disappointed.

 

EVs are here to stay and gaining market share with each passing day. There are Teslas everywhere at here in this area while every major car manufacturer has them on the way with many more in development. The move in the EV direction is occurring at a far greater pace than many of us expected a few short years ago.
The subject of frequent recharging is now only an issue only for those who are resistant to the inevitable change that these vehicle represent. EVs can now go 400+ miles on a single charge with 500 & 600 mile range models on deck. Very, very few Americans need to drive more than that in a day.
The average person in this country drives 29 miles/day. The range of todays EVs is more than enough for the overwhelming majority of us, plug it in overnight and you'll never stop at another gas station again. You can also forget about oil changes, coiling system flushes, antifreeze, air/fuel filters, fuel injector cleaning/replacements, and on.
The change over to EVs is occurring regardless of whether any of us as individuals like it or not or know it or not.

 

You can name call all you want in your fit of intolerance, but it doesn't change my desire, or the desire of others, to have a car that can be refilled in the same time frame as a gasoline car.

By the way, I'm going for a drive today, one that your Tesla can't perform, because the battery would be dead out in the middle of nowhere.

 

LOL. The new Tesla S has a 400 mile range and its immediate predecessors are only about 10 % less. 500 and 600 miles Teslas are on the way.
So you are taking a Sunday drive of like 350 miles? Sounds like about 250 miles further than what most of would consider fun.
The current range may not meet your requirements personally but it does for the overwhelming majority of us. Shouldn't be long before the range you need or think you need will be available.

 

Still takes time to charge, there's not enough charging stations and all tesla's still look like complete ***.

Oh and don't forget this.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/25/2...quality-survey

They're fast as hell but they're also pieces of ****.

 

Don't think there is universal agreement on any of that. I know 3 guys who have them and they could not be happier. The current range works for the great majority of us. I haven't driven more than 300 miles in one day in almost 20 years, we fly and rent a car if any real distance. I still prefer ICE but understand that the EV is the future whether the cave dwellers believe it or not.

 

That's odd. Because i also know 3 people who have them. They hate them. They even said the same words i said, "they're pieces of ****".

It's not only about the EV range, because 300 miles on a single charge is enough for anyone to live with on a single day.

It's the overall freedom of it. You could get a small commuter car that will do 500+ miles on a single tank. But then people will say, "yeah it's not as fast as a tesla". I agree, but how many "pulls" can you do in a tesla to show off to friends or beat a performance ICE car on the streets before you have to hurry home to recharge because now you're calculating all the numbers in your head after doing those pulls. What if you have to immediately go somewhere after that joy ride and those pulls killed your battery. But you have to go to a buddies house in an hour and he lives 100 miles away etc.

You're right, electric is the future. I accepted this. Everyone should. Just as everyone should accept manuals are dead lolllzzzz.

But i'm waiting on more AVAILABLE EV's, then i'll finally hop on. Why do i need to hurry and get a tesla? They're pieces of ****.

Pretty soon, all the models and brands we know of today, will have their EV equivalent. So if you liked daily driving maximas, you'll soon have a maxima EV. If you like ford explorers, your explorer EV will be around and you can get that. You like corvettes still? Well the C9 corvette will be all EV.

I'm not going to get an EV now, because there is still LOTS of time left for ICE cars. We're at the peak of it, the one last hoorah before EV finally takes over. I'm still sitting in that boat.

People are acting like tesla is the ONLY EV you'll ever get a chance to get.

Wait it out longer, EV's will be everywhere, of all makes and models, better looking, cheaper, and battery technology will be much better.

 

A lotta chevettes were sold, so were citations, and cimarrons and allantes (well, maybe not that many for allantes). Doesn't mean they looked good or lasted well. Just goes to show you....what? shows you nothing. styling is an independent "like" or "dislike."

Oh, and there's still a lotta "independent" here. For now. As long as it's not in a regulated-out state where independent can go down the toilet. Like California which, sometime in the future, will regulate out a non-EV car. Maybe.

 

To each his/her/whatever own. Free country still, thanks.

 

After WW2, good 'ole steam locomotives were replaced wholesale by diesel-electrics, (which still make up the bulk of locomotives...)

Surprise,,,, a Diesel ICE driving a generator that powers electric motors attached to the drive wheels....

Sounds like a "Hybrid" to me.... wow, "Tree-Hugger" technology powering "Americas Railroads"..... whoda thunk it?

 

Elon will easily be 10 years off. He delivers noting on time and over hypes everything.

 

no battery storage, not a hybrid

railroad got it right.

 

300 is not 300 for those who live in cold climates

its also not 300 for those who want long battery life. to maximize battery life you only want to operate the battery between 30% and 80%.