The worse place to learn about "engineering and supplier defects" is a forum. There is this whole "sky is falling" syndrome from people posting about one or another item. The vast majority of new owners have zero problems. People don't post "I don't have a problem today".

It would be helpful if GM would publish details of defects and % rate, but they don't.

The valve springs are not unique to the C8, so 1 or 10 examples doesn't mean the "sky is falling". I'm not concerned.

 

mine was finished on the 21st ( monday morning )so we were just one day apart.vin 11045

 

Reached out to Shane of NCM and questioned the "stop delivery" and my scheduled delivery. His response moments ago:

We’ve not received any guidance to stop, so we are continuing as planned unless I hear otherwise.

Shane Webb
Delivery Department Manager
National Corvette Museum

I do understand things change quickly and will be watching/monitoring/checking closely...with hopes he doesn't hear otherwise!!

 

I don’t know if you would know this but do you or anyone else know what happens during a Quality control on a vehicle that has been pulled for Quality control

 

jay - I apologize, not I....luckily. Surely there are others on the forum that would be qualified to answer. A QC hold was one of my worries and just another delay, yet I made it through without delay.

But, although it is a delay...and who hasn't had a delay since ordering...it is better than an quality issue being overlooked and just being pushed out the door to chalk up another C8 delivered. I'm hopeful that all with a QC hold, is for good reason and GM is/will address in order to deliver it as expected.

 

The LT2 is not built at BG . They are built in Upstate N.Y.

So I doubt that the UAW monkeys at BG are trained to replace valve springs .

My guess would be GM moves them off site for repair and or ship to the dealership and fix when the car breaks..

I don't see anyway that the proper fix for either the brake booster or valve spring recalls are done by UAW workers at BG.

In all honesty the vast majority of job on the production line do not require a significant skill set and BG does not have techs trained to do these type repairs.

 

It's a very sobering feeling to be up in space and realize that one's safety factor was determined by the lowest bidder on a government contract.

Alan Shepard

 

thanks

 

I ran into one of my friends, earlier today, at the post office. He's had a C-5 for a long time, and I didn't know that he had a C-8 on order. So when I asked him, "What's new", he said, "The car was built, but I just got word that it's being held for a brake booster issue", at which point I asked, "What car"? He then realized that he hadn't told me that he had a C-8 on order, and added that it's been on order, "Since August", so I'm assuming he meant August of 2019. Nonetheless, it appears that yes, the factory now has a brake booster issue.....

 

In order to do NCM delivery, Sale Transaction has to be completed between Dealer & Customer. Once that happens it can be delivered to NCM for delivery to you, as you have authorized GM to Ship your C8 to them.
He already owns the car. Sale and Shipping has been completed. Customer is just picking it up form a Shipped-To Location he authorized to receive and hold it for pickup by him.

My C8 Sales transaction between Dealer and myself was completed this past Monday, bayed for delivery on Tuesday, shipped to NCM on Wednesday. I own the car already, it's been shipped.

His is the same, Sold & Shipped.

Both of us, will be notified by mail, same as others effected by Re-Call.

 

That doesn’t appear to be entirely accurate as, if I recall correctly, during the last stop delivery order for the frunk software update the deliveries at NCM were put on hold. If GM issues a stop on deliveries, that includes those being delivered by NCM.

 

That's true, but was that a Quality Hold, done by GM. It doesn't leave GM hands.

I said in prior post: "He already owns the car". "Sale and Shipping has been completed." "Customer is just picking it up form a Shipped-To Location he authorized to receive and hold it for pickup by him".

Can GM seize my car sitting at NCM, and return it to BGA?
I don't believe so, Not without asking for my permission to do so, and taking full responsibility for any damage to it while IN transit to them or back to me, or while in their hands to correct problem. Would I let them do that. Yes under those conditions, which would also have to include shipping it back to me at their cost. I'd rather the repair(s) be done by them than Dealer.

 

Not according to the attached stop order. The dealership, or in this case NCM can not deliver you your vehicle if it is identified in the recall. Doesn’t matter if you’ve signed the paperwork/given payment.

 

That's crazy. How do they justify 2 month (almost) hold on a built car?

 

Again, My Vehicle has been shipped. It's not at BGA plant yard! It is not on the way to Dealer.
Where is it. Right now it's sitting at NCM. I have a Drive out Tag, a Bill of Sale, an proof of insurance. Sale & Transfer has been completed when GM released it, an it was unloaded at the NCM.

By what Rule of Law would GM have the right to Remove my C8 from NCM property? GM knows my C8 is sitting at the NCM right now. They authorized it to be Shipped to NCM by Jack Taylor Trucking last WED. Delivered to NCM on Thursday.
How long has GM known about these problems?

Is GM so lacks, that they did not Identify VINs in Build Status or Sitting in their on Shipping Lot, so they could be held there, but instead they allowed my C8 or any on their list to be shipped?

NCM was worried that my C8 was being held for Quality Hold when I contacted them last Monday. They did not know why it was, if not for QC!

They had no Idea that my Dealer had been Invoiced by GM, an that Dealer had not contacted me to come down and Complete the Sale.

Why was that? Dealership had never sold a Corvette with NCM delivery option. I realized the problem, drove down to Dealership, sat down with the Owner an explain it. He got it. We did the paper work an it when into GM's tracking system that night, The next day it was released to be Transported, to NCM, not a Dealer who By Law, would have had to have held it, or "Break that Law if they did not"!

Until the above happened, GM did not have authorization to Ship it to the Museum for me to take Delivery of it there!

By the are you aware that the NCM is not allowed to install a High Wing Spoiler on a C8? Why, because that is a Dealer install item that GM requires a Certified GM Dealer Tech to do.
So how did the NCM get GM to allow the NCM to Deliver C8 with High Wing Option to be install. They are not Done by NCM staff. They are done by an authorized Tech that works for local GM Dealership. NCM/, GM & Dealership agreement is how.

Can NCM install aftermarket HW or 5VM kits. YES as they are not GM parts. How do I know? Look for an Artic White body color C8 on Corvette BLVD on NCM web cams after NCM closes on Monday staged for delivery on 29th, maybe earlier, with aftermarket 5VM aero skirts installed on it. Splitter I'll install later. Will this become a "Norm". It may per a post by another member on another thread!, per what Shane told him.
I paid an Install Fee/Donation of sorts.

 

Like I said, it clearly states in that previous stop delivery order that dealers were not allowed to release vehicles identified in the order to buyers until the problem was fixed - this included NCM. There were several members on this forum who had already competed the transaction on their vehicle when this order was released and were unable to take delivery of their vehicles until the fix was completed.

I simply mentioned to the previous poster he may wish to check on the status of his delivery based on the news of a new stop delivery order. NCM is no different than a dealer holding your car for you until delivery. If your vehicle was identified as one with this particular problem, they would be unable to release it to you until the problem was fixed as with the previous hold. If your vehicle has not been identified in this order, then the hold would not apply to you.

 

You might want to take a "Look" at how the NCM's was Chartered ..

PS: NCM has no secured lot to store cars. Do they have the authority to release My Car to be Shipped back to GM, or do I have to authorize that?

No need to respond, just something to think about. I'm ok with my end.

 

I would guess that when you want to "CYA" against future lawsuits, you do whatever it takes....

 

From my observation it's even worse for the C8! Lots of posters who don't have one, would never buy one posting their subjective BS!

Agree the Forum makes mountains out of molehills! A good example is the now foolish "standard shifts forever" Thread, where there are probably only 2 to at most 3000 vocal Majority Posters, some have posted 500+ times themselves with the same foolish messages and 650,000 mostly Silent Majority who have visited the Thread.

I often say I do NOT post for the Vocal Minority (many who are closed minded and have their own agenda) but for the Silent Majority who just visit!

 

I'm heading to BG tomorrow afternoon with a buddy to pick up his car on Wednesday at 10:00 A M. He has not been notified to change his plans.