2 day old C8 engine replacement
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There is no diminished value on the car. It hasn't been in an accident, you just had something break and it will get replaced under warranty. The only way the value has been diminished is because you chose to pay 20k over and you will never get that back when the value on these drop just like every other used corvette.
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Stash101,
A couple of things. The numbers matching is not that important.
But the new engine may appear on carfax perhaps making it more difficult to sell or trade in the future.
Personally I would take the new engine because you can be more sure that there is little chance of valve problem in the new engine.
Generally speaking, GM knows about the valve spring issue and knows which cars are affected.
The policy is to do nothing since this is not a safety issue and litigation penalties will be minimal.
Best of luck
A couple of things. The numbers matching is not that important.
But the new engine may appear on carfax perhaps making it more difficult to sell or trade in the future.
Personally I would take the new engine because you can be more sure that there is little chance of valve problem in the new engine.
Generally speaking, GM knows about the valve spring issue and knows which cars are affected.
The policy is to do nothing since this is not a safety issue and litigation penalties will be minimal.
Best of luck
E-Ray, 3LZ, ZER, LIFT
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Repairs do not show up on CarFax, beit a valve spring, piston, engine or trans. Get in even a small accident and have damage to use insurance- sure. No one will look for matching numbers when he sells it. Being 1 of 20,000 Stingrays it will never become a classic!
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I just purchased my new C8 brought it home making sure not to exceed 75 miles per hour. Took it out the next day and received a warning “oil is at 0 percent. Had to get a tow to the dealer. After the engine was checked out the mechanic fold tow of the valves in the engine broke. Chevy is offering to replace the engine with a née one.
My concern: I will no longer have a matching number vehicle.
question. Should I be concerned about a non matching number vehicle? If so what should I ask for from the dealer and Chevy? I want the car but after paying 20k over list I have reservations. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
My concern: I will no longer have a matching number vehicle.
question. Should I be concerned about a non matching number vehicle? If so what should I ask for from the dealer and Chevy? I want the car but after paying 20k over list I have reservations. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
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You don’t deserve anything just because you paid $20k over list. They will do the repairs and your car will inevitably be worth the same as the rest of the C8’s. I think you should be more concerned about when production catches up and your $80k car that you paid $100k is worth $70k in potentially 6-12 months.
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You don’t deserve anything just because you paid $20k over list. They will do the repairs and your car will inevitably be worth the same as the rest of the C8’s. I think you should be more concerned about when production catches up and your $80k car that you paid $100k is worth $70k in potentially 6-12 months.
Yep.
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GM's obligation is to pay the dealership to repair the car as per the factory warranty, and to provide to the customer any written benefits per that warranty, i.e. courtesy loaner while the car is down. That is it.
There's a handful of collector cars out there that numbers matching means anything, and they are for the most part 50 -60 years old. This has more to do with how cars were ordered and built back then, as there were multiple engine choices. Not the case today.
There is no diminished value. No one will ask nor will they care if the engine was replaced under warranty when it comes time to sell or trade. The fact that you paid over MSRP for the car is irrelevant. That was your choice, you put the pen in your hand and signed the paper.
There's a handful of collector cars out there that numbers matching means anything, and they are for the most part 50 -60 years old. This has more to do with how cars were ordered and built back then, as there were multiple engine choices. Not the case today.
There is no diminished value. No one will ask nor will they care if the engine was replaced under warranty when it comes time to sell or trade. The fact that you paid over MSRP for the car is irrelevant. That was your choice, you put the pen in your hand and signed the paper.
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I just purchased my new C8 brought it home making sure not to exceed 75 miles per hour. Took it out the next day and received a warning “oil is at 0 percent. Had to get a tow to the dealer. After the engine was checked out the mechanic fold tow of the valves in the engine broke. Chevy is offering to replace the engine with a née one.
My concern: I will no longer have a matching number vehicle.
question. Should I be concerned about a non matching number vehicle? If so what should I ask for from the dealer and Chevy? I want the car but after paying 20k over list I have reservations. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
My concern: I will no longer have a matching number vehicle.
question. Should I be concerned about a non matching number vehicle? If so what should I ask for from the dealer and Chevy? I want the car but after paying 20k over list I have reservations. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
This is not a broken valve spring issue!
Engine has 3 Dry Sump oil pumps. One in each head to prevent oil from pooling in heads under high lateral G's, an One in engine that supplies oil to engine. Very unusual for that one to 'Fail". I'd be asking what cause that to happen!
Anyway, like previously posted, non matching engine in a 2020 C8 probably want be a numbers matching issue for you. GM replaced the engine under warranty. It's not a case of you blowing engine up and having to buy a new replacement engine, or buying an engine out of another C8.
If your worried about drop in value of your C8, just get and keep copies of "Documentation", that shows original engine failed, at XXX miles an why, an engine was replaced under warranty because of that.
Might want to ask GM's Rep, how to track a C8's Engine to it's Vin number. Block, Head, intake, throttle body, etc., Casting number(s), Stamped number, etc. Maybe same Vin number will be stamped on replacement Engine with "R" in front of it, for "Traceability" .
Let us know what GM has to say about C8 Engine's "Traceability"!
You've already bought the car. Reservation now, are meaningless. You have a used C8 anyway you look at it, blown engine or not. How do you solve that issue?
Drive it, enjoy it, an quit worrying about deprecation.
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Just keep in mind that when I pay $1000 to Chevy for a Museum delivery, they don’t even buy my lunch. They care about you, but not enough to really do anything for you. (I don’t want to hear about how the Museum is separate from Chevy. I paid the $1000 to Chevy, not the Museum).
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Just keep in mind that when I pay $1000 to Chevy for a Museum delivery, they don’t even buy my lunch. They care about you, but not enough to really do anything for you. (I don’t want to hear about how the Museum is separate from Chevy. I paid the $1000 to Chevy, not the Museum).
Yep like you paid your dealer and GM got the discounted value, then GM paid Tremec for the DCT! Hmm, Tremec probably made more profit than the museum- did they offer to buy you lunch?
GM cares enough to put many millions into the design and manufacture of a car that sold for ~$75,000 and looks similar to a Ferrari that sells for ~$295,000. Yep bet Ferrari would not offer a trip to Italy to see their Museum! BUT making more profit per car sold than you paid for your C8 they could have and and paid the airfare!
Last edited by JerryU; Nov 14, 2020 at 10:24 AM.
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A couple of things here:
1) I don't think they stamp the VIN on the engines anymore, but I am sure if they do one of our members here will be able to provide the correction and a picture of where it is located on the engine.
2) Since the repair is so close to the PDI and delivery of the car, I would be very surprised if Carfax showed anything, and if it did it would probably show up as either "service performed" or better yet "accessories installed". You could run a Car fax report in 2 months and see if anything popped up.
3) If they are replacing the entire engine (block, pistons, heads, etc.) as a complete replacement, I would think that puts you in the best position since everything was replaced at once. We have some members here who have had a valve spring break and only the valve springs were replaced.
4) This repair in no way affects the 3/36 factory warranty, the 5/60 powertrain warranty, or the extended warranty you have on the car.
Now, I would certainly talk to your dealer about you disappointment and ask if there is anything they or GM (more likely GM) would be able to do for you given the situation. However, keep in mind that under the circumstances the only thing that is owed to you is the correct repair of your car by GM.
1) I don't think they stamp the VIN on the engines anymore, but I am sure if they do one of our members here will be able to provide the correction and a picture of where it is located on the engine.
2) Since the repair is so close to the PDI and delivery of the car, I would be very surprised if Carfax showed anything, and if it did it would probably show up as either "service performed" or better yet "accessories installed". You could run a Car fax report in 2 months and see if anything popped up.
3) If they are replacing the entire engine (block, pistons, heads, etc.) as a complete replacement, I would think that puts you in the best position since everything was replaced at once. We have some members here who have had a valve spring break and only the valve springs were replaced.
4) This repair in no way affects the 3/36 factory warranty, the 5/60 powertrain warranty, or the extended warranty you have on the car.
Now, I would certainly talk to your dealer about you disappointment and ask if there is anything they or GM (more likely GM) would be able to do for you given the situation. However, keep in mind that under the circumstances the only thing that is owed to you is the correct repair of your car by GM.
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1. It sucks the OP paid $20k over for the car, never getting that back.
2. Having an engine replaced under warranty or not, if disclosed when the OP decides to sell will lower the value and deter potential buyers. Just look at all the questions & advice given in all the other gen forums when someone says “I’m looking at this car but it’s had xyz repaired”. Almost universally the advice to the poster is “there’s plenty out there with low miles without baggage, keep looking”
The exact same questions & responses are going to occur in this forum in 2-3 years when there are 80-100k of C8s on the road.
I’m sorry OP whether you dump the car now or later, you’re going to take a huge hit.
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JMHO, but him winning the Lottery twice in a month is more likely to happen before he gets all his money back.
Not to mention the OP didn't say if he bought the car from the dealer or a private seller.
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Yes service history & repairs can & do show on Carfax and it will of course show on the VIS report.
1. It sucks the OP paid $20k over for the car, never getting that back.
2. Having an engine replaced under warranty or not, if disclosed when the OP decides to sell will lower the value and deter potential buyers. Just look at all the questions & advice given in all the other gen forums when someone says “I’m looking at this car but it’s had xyz repaired”. Almost universally the advice to the poster is “there’s plenty out there with low miles without baggage, keep looking”
The exact same questions & responses are going to occur in this forum in 2-3 years when there are 80-100k of C8s on the road.
I’m sorry OP whether you dump the car now or later, you’re going to take a huge hit.
1. It sucks the OP paid $20k over for the car, never getting that back.
2. Having an engine replaced under warranty or not, if disclosed when the OP decides to sell will lower the value and deter potential buyers. Just look at all the questions & advice given in all the other gen forums when someone says “I’m looking at this car but it’s had xyz repaired”. Almost universally the advice to the poster is “there’s plenty out there with low miles without baggage, keep looking”
The exact same questions & responses are going to occur in this forum in 2-3 years when there are 80-100k of C8s on the road.
I’m sorry OP whether you dump the car now or later, you’re going to take a huge hit.
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I was thinking the same thing. If I have paid $20,000 over MSRP, I would be trying to get all of my money back and order one at MSRP.
