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Lemon law in most states applies if out of service for more than 30 days in a calendar year. I kinda doubt a new engine can be installed this fast considering shipping etc. So maybe try to get GM to give you an identical replacement C8. That way your $20k isn't lost.
It has been a while since I have bought a new vehicle, but doesn't the dealer typically send the vehicle registration paperwork directly to the DMV?
I guess it depends. I bought two Corvettes from MacMulkin (C6 &C7) and live out of their state. The C6 they sent the paperwork to the DMV and registered the car but in the three weeks it took they were in constant contact with me telling me they don't normally do this and was a pain in the *** getting the paperwork correct. When I bought my C7 last year they would not do the DMV paperwork and gave me everything to do myself.
He probably wouldn't get a replacement car from GM any sooner than ordering another car from a dealer (then he could get MSRP). But he could probably find another car soon if he's willing to pay ADM again.
Normally Lemon Law recovers price paid for the car, license, registration, taxes, etc. less a deduction for mileage. I don't know how it works for someone that has paid more than MSRP, but I'm assuming it works the same. So GM would wind up paying a hefty sum and the dealer gets to keep the profit. That's probably a little bit of a burn for GM since I don't think they like dealers asking for more than MSRP.
There is no diminished value on the car. It hasn't been in an accident, you just had something break and it will get replaced under warranty. The only way the value has been diminished is because you chose to pay 20k over and you will never get that back when the value on these drop just like every other used corvette.
I disagree!!
I bought a 2013 427 Collector Edition convertible from a client that had the engine replaced(@11,500mi.UNDER WARRANTY )It was a great car. When I sold it the replacement was noted on Carfax. I took a 7k hit on the sale. The car was pristine and STILL UNDER WARRANTY when I sold it.
In summary, THROUGH MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, there WILL BE DIMINISHED VALUE.
I disagree!!
I bought a 2013 427 Collector Edition convertible from a client that had the engine replaced(@11,500mi.UNDER WARRANTY )It was a great car. When I sold it the replacement was noted on Carfax. I took a 7k hit on the sale. The car was pristine and STILL UNDER WARRANTY when I sold it.
In summary, THROUGH MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, there WILL BE DIMINISHED VALUE.
You only took a 7k hit because you AGREED to the deal. Plenty of people will NOT MIND something replaced under warranty. Did you get the car for CHEAPER from your client knowing it had the engine replaced or just pay close to what he was asking? You don't have to sell it for DIMINISHED VALUE.
Last edited by Sub Driver; Nov 14, 2020 at 04:00 PM.
It has been a while since I have bought a new vehicle, but doesn't the dealer typically send the vehicle registration paperwork directly to the DMV?
Kerbeck did all the paperwork to get my car registered with SCDMV for my Courtesy Delivered 2017 Grand Sport and C8.
In fact the Courtesy Delivery dealer was surprised they had nothing to do but the PDI for their $350 fee!
For the C8 was not as easy as you can't visit SCDMV, all has to be done via email. They say call but tried when getting my custom plate and it just says, we're very busy with the pandemic, call back!
Even the local DMV office where I had to visit twice in the custom plate effort, had to make an appointment via the Internet.
All worked fine as Kerbeck sent me a NJ Temp plate, then contacted SCDMV, sent the paperwork to get the car registered with the State.. That is required to get a SC license plate. The temp plate was good until the SC plate arrived in the Mail, which Kerbeck also arranged.
Then waited another month for my custom plate. It's a Catch 22 with DMV, can't apply for a custom plate until you have a SC plate first!
Funny have had custom plates for all 6 Vettes i have had. This years form has several lines that say describe what the plate your requesting means! Must have been burned with some nasty Acronyms all the social media uses! I described who Zora Duntov was!
I disagree!!
I bought a 2013 427 Collector Edition convertible from a client that had the engine replaced(@11,500mi.UNDER WARRANTY )It was a great car. When I sold it the replacement was noted on Carfax. I took a 7k hit on the sale. The car was pristine and STILL UNDER WARRANTY when I sold it.
In summary, THROUGH MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, there WILL BE DIMINISHED VALUE.
Did it sell for $7k less than you paid or less than comparable sales? I would much rather have an LS7 replaced under warranty than stock. Higher probability of a good engine. This holds especially true with all of the teething issues the C8 is having.
You only took a 7k hit because you AGREED to the deal. Plenty of people will NOT MIND something replaced under warranty. Did you get the car for CHEAPER from your client knowing it had the engine replaced or just pay close to what he was asking? You don't have to sell it for DIMINISHED VALUE.
We'll never know if his sales price reflected the current market or if he got impatient to make a deal. However, if that was the market value for that car, it was what it was. It's kind of tough to Monday morning quarterback a situation that we have no direct knowledge about.
Numbers would be the LEAST of my concerns were I in your shoes. Numb-nut dealer techs swapping the engine and the odds of them doing it correctly would be!!!
I guess it depends. I bought two Corvettes from MacMulkin (C6 &C7) and live out of their state. The C6 they sent the paperwork to the DMV and registered the car but in the three weeks it took they were in constant contact with me telling me they don't normally do this and was a pain in the *** getting the paperwork correct. When I bought my C7 last year they would not do the DMV paperwork and gave me everything to do myself.
Yep, usually they send it on an in-state deal. Out of state, not so much. I bought a C6 in NC and the dealer wouldn't let me leave with the car unless I paid Texas state sales tax to them to remit to the "TX DMV". I tried to explain to them that the county tax offices in TX collect the sales tax and issue the license plates, but they weren't having any of it. So I paid the tax and left. They ended up having to send me a check, for the tax I paid them, get their check back from the state. It ended up taking over a month to get everything figured out. It was a mess. Hopefully they learned something.
Yep, usually they send it on an in-state deal. Out of state, not so much. I bought a C6 in NC and the dealer wouldn't let me leave with the car unless I paid Texas state sales tax to them to remit to the "TX DMV". I tried to explain to them that the county tax offices in TX collect the sales tax and issue the license plates, but they weren't having any of it. So I paid the tax and left. They ended up having to send me a check, for the tax I paid them, get their check back from the state. It ended up taking over a month to get everything figured out. It was a mess. Hopefully they learned something.
There is a book you buy your title clerk that gives you the information as to how to handle each state for tax and title purposes. The book can sometimes be out of date. Other times you have a sales manager who guesses how to do it because that was how it was handled the last time he did an out of state delivery. The smart way is to call the title jurisdiction it is headed for but they are not always open when you need the information.
This is why i would not buy a first year car. #1 I will not pay more than sticker ! #2 There are always problems and recalls ! #3 They add more goodies over the next model years !
I am very happy with my 2016 Z-51 C7 / 6,000 discount, no recalls, and front parking cameras, flat bottom steering wheel and Android Auto !
My 1989 C4 had the 6 speed ZF transmission and more but i do not remember !
One more thing to consider, and I speak as a vehicle tech and business owner since the '70's, is having a motor replaced, will never be as good a job as having a factory install. The reason is all sorts of hardware, fasteners, clips, connectors, hoses, wiring, brackets, ties, guides and more have to be removed. Many are a one time use, others will be damaged or broken during the disassembly and reassembly process. This hardware is expected to be reused. Most is exclusive to the C8 and if several items are compromised during the process they will have to be special ordered which will cause delays. If a tech breaks something, GM will not be liable and the dealership reluctant to order it, so those things are just swept under the rug so to speak. Most owner would never know and it's a huge PITA to having to keep ordering pieces and parts to make a perfect job. Air wrenching fasteners scars the heads too, and the flanges underneath do too. Many tell tale signs are left after a motor replacement. If you elect to have it done, have a Corvette Indy look the job over after and document all the stuff you want repaired correctly. The list will be long.
^^^^^^ THIS... not a big deal if you never go looking. But... and here's the rub... if you go to trade it in to someone who actually looks over the car or to sell it and they have an independent inspection? It will be obvious that it was done. Tooling marks, clips ties? Routing of harnesses etc etc will NOT be on the same condition.. they can't even pull a panel without leaving marks. Plenty on here have had that happen. ****. I went to pick up my wife's 2 week old caddy from the dealer today and refused it because they BROKE THE PANEL THEY HAD TO REMOVE TO ACCESS UNDERNEATH. If I didn't pop the liftgate? I wouldn't have noticed until it became "my problem". Not detrimental but new is NEW not reconditioned or replaced like crap. Saw panel was loose fitting felt HOW loose and low and behold. You're kidding yourselves with this mystical magical fairy who can pluck an engine out and replace it unscathed. You're insane.
Originally Posted by Wass
Lemon law may apply depending on your state. In PA, if your car is at the dealership for any repairs for a cumulative total of thirty days during the first 12 months or 12,000 miles, you may demand a refund or replacement.
My 2013 Z06 had the engine replaced just under 13,000 miles and it does not appear on the Carfax. However, the vin can be searched for repairs and it will show up there.
means nothing. ^^^^^ just because your carfax doesn't show it see below.
Originally Posted by Paws
I disagree!!
I bought a 2013 427 Collector Edition convertible from a client that had the engine replaced(@11,500mi.UNDER WARRANTY )It was a great car. When I sold it the replacement was noted on Carfax. I took a 7k hit on the sale. The car was pristine and STILL UNDER WARRANTY when I sold it.
In summary, THROUGH MY ACTUAL EXPERIENCE, there WILL BE DIMINISHED VALUE.
exactly (regarding carfax notes).
I have had PLENTY of vehicles which were dealer maintained and SHOWED EVERY LITTLE PROCEDURE DONE AT THE DEALERSHIP TO THE CARS INCLUDING AN 08... so you better believe if the dealer uses the carfax reporting service it will show ENGINE REPLACEMENT at whatever mileage it was.
Could someone please explain why the consumer in this case has an option to return the car or ask for anything extra to be added to the transaction?
There is no explanation of any of that. The OP signed, bought, took delivery and owns the car. There is no "refund" option. GM is honoring the warranty and fixing the car, and that fulfills their obligation.
There is no explanation of any of that. The OP signed, bought, took delivery and owns the car. There is no "refund" option. GM is honoring the warranty and fixing the car, and that fulfills their obligation.
yep. Just like a TV you purchased brought home stopped working and then you have the warranty come out and fix it right?
No you don't. You take it back and they give you a new one..
You would NEVER put up with that for a 1000 or 2000 TV why would you out up with it for a 80 90 100k car? F that. More than a few weeks? Certainly. Now it's actually USED. The second you drive off a dealer lot is the old days.. orany will say to hell with GM, Lexus (or insert quality company name here) here i come.
Love the rough guy stance. See how that works out. You won't be in business long friend. Lmao.
yep. Just like a TV you purchased brought home stopped working and then you have the warranty come out and fix it right?
No you don't. You take it back and they give you a new one..
You would NEVER put up with that for a 1000 or 2000 TV why would you out up with it for a 80 90 100k car? F that. More than a few weeks? Certainly. Now it's actually USED. The second you drive off a dealer lot is the old days.. orany will say to hell with GM, Lexus (or insert quality company name here) here i come.
Love the rough guy stance. See how that works out. You won't be in business long friend. Lmao.
I would hope that when you go back and read what you wrote you also would find it ridiculous. Besides the obvious minuscule cost of a TV vs. a car, the TV does not carry a title, CarFax, or VIS. The merchant takes the TV back, returns it to the manufacturer, who then repairs it and sells it to a re-seller as re-manufactured for a couple hundred dollar difference in price.
That process simply doesn't work for vehicles. If you could just return it when it breaks, what would the dealer or the manufacturer do with the product? It becomes used and the loss involved would be in the thousands. Obviously that cost would become part of the overhead involved and the cost of all vehicles would rise proportionally. Affordability would go out the window and then we have an economic crisis.
Cars of all brands do break and suffer all kinds of component failures. That is why there is a very comprehensive warranty and why there are the number of dealers we have in this country. Replacing them like a dropped ice cream cone is not going to happen!
yep. Just like a TV you purchased brought home stopped working and then you have the warranty come out and fix it right?
No you don't. You take it back and they give you a new one..
You would NEVER put up with that for a 1000 or 2000 TV why would you out up with it for a 80 90 100k car? F that. More than a few weeks? Certainly. Now it's actually USED. The second you drive off a dealer lot is the old days.. orany will say to hell with GM, Lexus (or insert quality company name here) here i come.
Love the rough guy stance. See how that works out. You won't be in business long friend. Lmao.
Actually, most product warranties, including TVs, give the manufacturer the offer to repair OR replace. With a (relatively) small value item like a TV, the labor involved in diagnosing the problem, ordering the part(s), and installing them quickly outweighs the incremental cost of providing you a brand new unit. But in cases where it would be cheaper for the manufacturer to repair your TV (or any warrantied item) they would do so and would have fulfilled their warranty obligations to the consumer. I'm not sure why this is so hard for people to understand....
