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I don't know if GM can survive since they did not take the EV seriously for years. They also have too much legacy cost in ICE manufacturing hardware that will be virtually worthless. All it will take is one more battery innovation to make refueling an EV as convenient as a gas vehicle and a reduction in price. When this happens there will be no reason for anyone to reject buying an EV.
Last edited by b4i4getit; Nov 23, 2020 at 07:36 AM.
Gm and Ford. Along with all other manufacturers are chasing electric. The folks posting here who want the ice corvette are retirees. The younger generation wants electric.
Only detour I see is if hydrogen moves forward......but I’ll be dead by then......
Why waste another flagship developed effort for a sports car under the Cadillac badge? History proves it does not sell enough to make any money! Wrong demographic buyer associated with that brand.
Best move is to spin off Corvette brand. Put the Camaro under that halo brand and build unreal two seat and 4 seat sports cars like the world has never seen. Camaro engineers have provided impressive “track results”for the dollar, think ZL1. Next up build a killer fast SUV to compete with Porsche and Maserati and others big profit margin in these! Offer these in electric versions ASAP to not miss what others are doing. Continue a Combustion engine variant for as long as profitable! Mary, happy to discuss...
Why waste another flagship developed effort for a sports car under the Cadillac badge? History proves it does not sell enough to make any money! Wrong demographic buyer associated with that brand.
Best move is to spin off Corvette brand. Put the Camaro under that halo brand and build unreal two seat and 4 seat sports cars like the world has never seen. Camaro engineers have provided impressive “track results”for the dollar, think ZL1. Next up build a killer fast SUV to compete with Porsche and Maserati and others big profit margin in these! Offer these in electric versions ASAP to not miss what others are doing. Continue a Combustion engine variant for as long as profitable! Mary, happy to discuss...
GM is hamstrung by it's size and decision making process. Perfect examples of really bad decisions include the reintroduction of the Blazer as something that delivers zero excitement across the industry, Cadillac going backwards and even simple things like interiors across the board that are being beaten by brands like Hyundai/Kia. GM cannot get out of it's own way and will struggle until they figure a way to dump the massive layers of useless management and poor decision making process.
I don't know if GM can survive since they did not take the EV seriously for years. They also have too much legacy cost in ICE manufacturing hardware that will be virtually worthless. All it will take is one more battery innovation to make refueling an EV as convenient as a gas vehicle and a reduction in price. When this happens there will be no reason for anyone to reject buying an EV.
I am tired of hearing this crap. GM pioneered the modern production EV. They produced the EV1 and found out the technology wasn’t ready and the market wasn’t ready either. They pioneered the EV skateboard platform. The market wasn’t ready. The infrastructure is not there to produce the batteries and recharging for GM to produce and sell millions of EVs. They have allowed Tesla lose billions of dollars selling too expensive for the mainstream EVs. They will be ready when the Market is ready for them to sell millions of cars at a price people can afford, and the infrastructure can support them.
I would expect Pittsburgh to be the last major city in this country to fully embrace EVs. I lived there for decades up until a couple years ago and have watched the provincial, bohunk mentality that is so pervasive there resist virtually any advancement that comes down the potholed PA Turnpike. Bring a new idea or technology that is well received elsewhere in the US and it hits a brick wall in Pittsburgh. Probably one of the many reasons people continue to leave that place as I did.
I don't see that happening. Tesla is more than a car manufacturer. It's innovative and researching future tech. GM is just an automotive company with virtually no innovation.
You have no idea. The list of firsts by GM both in manuf process and in auto application would fill 10 books. I'll name just one: magnetic ride control.
Last edited by quick04Z06; Nov 23, 2020 at 09:50 AM.
You have no idea. The list of firsts by GM both in manuf process and in auto application would fill 10 books. I'll name just one: magnetic ride control.
This is absolutely true. The list of GMs firsts would fill a textbook. You have a certain number of people here who loathe GM and have no idea what they are talking about.
There’s a lot of push back from traditional ICE buyers when it comes to electric vehicles. I’ve been driving our Model S for three years, the voice controlled embedded route planner is superb, it plans your route, selects your charging locations, calculates the appropriate charging time for the next leg of your journey, displays the available services at the charging station and displays live updates showing the availability of charging stations at your next stop. All this in conjunction with Google Earth quality maps presented on a massive high resolution display. If you drive less than about 250 miles per day you will do all your charging at home, you will never need to use a public charger. Depending on a few variables a typical 500 mile trip will require one stop of about 30-50 minutes, the newer Teslas have shorter charging times than the older Teslas. The only time charging becomes much of a consideration is on long trips over compressed time periods, if you routinely drive 500-1,000 miles a day your trip will be 2-3 hours longer than the same trip in an ICE vehicle. For the vast majority of drivers the total time lost charging away from home will be a tiny fraction of the total time lost by an ICE driver who fuels their vehicle at the gas station once a week.
Charging times and cost are dropping, vehicle selection, range and performance are improving, maintenance is minimal and the convenience of at home charging is significant. An electric vehicle may not be right for everyone at this time but 500 mile range and 20 minute charging times are going to be available in the next 3-5 years. Throw in 11 second (or less) 1/4 mile times and cost-of-energy savings of 50-80% and EV’s are going to make many new friends.
Just give it a little time, there are going to be some really cool cars available in the next few years.
I'll have a hard time with a silent sportscar, but for literally everything else BEV is the way. Once that happens, no point in making a ICE Corvette. Not sure if it'll happen with the C9 though.
Only GM management knows what will actually happen but I think that a performance hybrid version of the C8 is quite likely. That could be stunningly quick.
It's 100% likely... the circuits are already in the current cars.
Circuits? Or a fuse spot for low power control equipment for a hybrid? Power wiring for 100 HP at 800V is not too big for a mileage boosting hybrid but when you get to 500hp, the copper gets bigger. Wiring size will be greatly affected by the speed control methodology. It is all about the current required.
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Originally Posted by b4i4getit
I don't know if GM can survive since they did not take the EV seriously for years. They also have too much legacy cost in ICE manufacturing hardware that will be virtually worthless. All it will take is one more battery innovation to make refueling an EV as convenient as a gas vehicle and a reduction in price. When this happens there will be no reason for anyone to reject buying an EV.
Living under a rock...the EV1, Chevy Volt, and Chevy Bolt were some of the first modern EVs produced.
Last edited by ArmchairArchitect; Nov 23, 2020 at 03:25 PM.
Circuits? Or a fuse spot for low power control equipment for a hybrid? Power wiring for 100 HP at 800V is not too big for a mileage boosting hybrid but when you get to 500hp, the copper gets bigger. Wiring size will be greatly affected by the speed control methodology. It is all about the current required.
Yes... there are fuse spots for pedestrian warning systems.
Yes... there are fuse spots for pedestrian warning systems.
Are they for the car to warn pedestrians that you are electrically silently speeding down on them? Or are they to warn you that you are about to run down a pedestrian in your self driving Corvette, that some have been wishing for?
Inquiring minds want to know. Both are possible. Maybe it will be both of those to save fuse space!
Barra and the rest of GM are crazy if they think their EVs are going to sell generally. Sure, people are buying EVs that have some "cache" to them - the Teslas, the Taycans, the Hummer, the Mustang. But once they try to push EVs on the general public that just want reliable transportation and ease of use from a car and have to consider something "uncool", GM EV sales are going to fall flat.
EV’s are going to be mainstream for several reasons. California, China and Europe are creating drop dead dates for sales of new ICE cars. Don’t be surprised if Massachusetts, New York and the rest of the Northeastern states follow California’s lead. At some point it will be uneconomical to make ICE cars in the face of shrinking worldwide demand. Battery capacity, battery production and rapid charging technology are advancing at a decent pace and charging infrastructure is growing rapidly in no small part because VW committed to a massive charging network as part of the Dieselgate settlement.
GM, Ford and all the rest will go electric if for no other reason than to survive. There will be a transition period but in about 5-7 years there will be an excellent selection of affordable, long range, fast charging electric vehicles to choose from.