I laugh at this, so a 100 carat diamond ring is a super car? Or a Rolls Royce Convertible? See, that is an ignorant definition. A super car is about performance, always has been.

 

I see this discussion is going to fantasy land, so let’s see if this can steer it back to reality...

In the discussion about what makes a performance car a “super car”, I am saying that 2 necessary ingredients are that the car is expensive (and if you want to get picky about that, I guess it should cost more than a fully loaded F-Series pickup), and it should be exclusive...(not rolling off some line being spit out like Pez candy).

Also, if you can come across a100 carat cut diamond, you can call it whatever you want to, because the price will prob be north of $25 million.

 

I'm going to modify a Dodge Caravan, so it's fast to 60mph... Then I can tell everyone I own a supercar!

0-60 is not the only metric that makes a vehicle a supercar. Since the current C8 is ~ZL1 speeds around a road course, does that mean the Camaro is a supercar? How about the previous performance models of Corvette? The answer is no.

Chevrolet (currently) does not build supercars. It builds a really good sports car that punches well above its weight in terms of performance for a lot less money.

 

So what you’re saying is you can’t refute anything I posted with actual facts. Really made your argument for “game changer supercar” moniker

Here, I’ll use some references for my argument that, by your rationale, the C7 is a supercar:

Re: C7 Z06, “Recently official times were released by Jim Mero showing that the Z06 achieved a 7:10 second lap time on the Nürburgring which put it in front of Porsche, Lamborghini, Ferrari, these are just a few of the names that this car has managed to best around the ring. Most people would agree that the cars listed above are in fact supercars, so what do we call the car that is beating these cars around a track and doing so for a lot less? Well... A supercar.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.torquenews.com/8047/why-c7-corvette-should-be-considered-supercar/amp.

Here’s another one re: C7 Z06, “The Chevrolet Corvette has added to its status as the world’s most affordable supercar as it emerged the king of the 2015 Car and Driver Lightning Lap competition at Virginia International Raceway. It outran such thoroughbreds as the $353,115 McLaren 650S Spider, $274,120 Lamborghini Huracan and $163,000 Porsche 911 GT3.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.det...m/amp/71865642

Re: C6 ZR1, “The slogan adorned across the t-shirts of the ZR1 team reads: 'Life begins at 200mph'. But this 'Vette is about much more than top speed – it's about how this ZR1 gets there. Match it up against a Ferrari 599, Lamborghini LP560-4 or Porsche 911 GT2, and the ZR1 will eat them all.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.car...1-2008-review/

 

I just used the definition you supplied. Don’t like what qualifies using your definition, create a better one.

So a Lotus Evora is a super car by your new definition, as is a Rolls Royce. You are going to have to come up with a better definition. Again no performance specs, when performance has been the key factor of a super car. The first car called a super car was the Lamborghini Muira. Maybe it was the SV model. IIRC it was because it was the first production car over 300 kph.

 

Sorry for starting this thread - almost. It was just to say that I enjoy watching the show along with a few others now that I can better relate to the subject matter. No more, no less. Learning about another game changing technology design - rear diffuser on the first ever.Jaguar XJ220 was an educational moment I missed while focusing on other endeavors.

 

You'll never see it because you are wearing blinders the size of billboards and are fully entrenched in denial. If you could just step back and look at the big picture it would help.

What is the configuration of all Supercars and Hypercars? Mid engine
What is the next closest mid engine sports car with the same level of performance to the C8? A car that is 2 1/2 times the price.
What model Corvette other than the C8 went on a dealer tour and had THOUSANDS of people waiting HOURS to view it for a few minutes? none
What base Corvette other than the C8 after a year of production was getting 20% OVER MSRP and even included used models? none
What model Corvette other than the C8 was built as RHD to satisfy a demand in countries that employ RHD cars? none

The previous generations were simply a rehash of the old formula, it had 66 years of development so I would hope to God it would perform well, it was still just an old car in a new wrapper. It's OK, you'll never see it, but it's pretty obvious the rest of the world does.

 

Isn't this the definition used by people who have more insecurity than brains?

 

It’s not blinders, nor denial. It’s objective reality. I can love & appreciate Corvettes for what they are and don’t need to pad my self-esteem or self-worth by trying to claim my car is anything that it’s not.

What “game” is this changing Phil? The Corvette finally came around to mid-engine where every other supercar, hypercar, as you put it already was, but with a 20 year old Ferrari design. It uses a DCT transmission that many other sports cars have been using for years. It added a retractable hard top that has been around for decades, front lift system again that others have used for years, etc., etc., etc.

There’s zero new or innovative technology in the C8. Chevy takes from the best (generally 5-10 years late) & makes a great, lower-cost high-performance sports car.

The only reason C8s are selling over MSRP is due to production being cut in half for 2020. Some dealers always jack up the price on new gens - again nothing new.

By all accounts the C8 is a great next step in the evolution of Corvette. Great performance, many like the appearance. But it’s still just a Chevy Corvette, and no matter how much owners want it to be, it’s not a supercar, it’s not innovative, and it’s not changing anything with regards to how other manufacturers of high-performance cars design or develop their vehicles.

Every generation of Corvette is compared to high-performance cars with price tags 2-3x, every generation. Look it up, I posted 3 links above from C6-C7. The constant “oh the C8 is now compared to more expensive supercars” is comical.

 

What truly new and innovative thing has Ferrari or Lamborghini brought to the market in the last 5 years? I guess they are not innovative either.

 

I find it amusing so many care if a car is considered a "Supercar". If what you own defines your self-worth, you are not worth much as a human being. You should own a car because you need a car and appreciate it. If you think it makes you more important, more respected, or more worthy as a human being you got bigger issues than the car you can afford.

 

Oh great blind one, it's the desirability to own one. It is now playing in the mid engine arena and not the same old playbook of 50 year old design with a big motor.

You can't even see what you're trying to point out, the fact the performance of the old cars exceeded the high-performance cars did nothing in the eyes of the buyers, it was still viewed as a warmed over rehash of the old design that most didn't care about.

Why do you want to argue about a configuration that the greatest Corvette engineer dreamed of having through his whole career because he saw where it could take them? Why does Pratt &Miller say they best chassis for the track is 40/60 weight distribution? Why do Formula 1 and Indy cars have the drivetrain directly behind the driver? Do you think they are going to go back to the front engine design of the 50s? I know it's difficult to realize when one is left behind, but that is what just happened and no matter how hard you put your hands on your hips, it won't change it. I have never claimed it's the same as a Ferrari, because it's not, it's a mass produced Chevrolet that has raised the bar far beyond what it ever has in the past. It doesn't have a steering wheel out of a Pontiac G6 or seat backs that feel like they used wet lasagna noodles covered in leather. The DCT is simply brilliant, I've driven it on the street and the track and coming from a manual transmission only guy, if both were available today and I could reorder and have the car tomorrow, I would now choose the DCT. If you haven't experienced it in the C8, you shouldn't pre judge.

 

I don't care if I own a supercar, I care to own what I like and makes me happy. What I find interesting, is that people use the word, say a C8 Corvette or C7 Z06 or ZR1 is not one, but they can't specifically define so one could take any car against the definition and those that, makes them go, yes that is a supercar.

If you can't define something, then you are in no position to say a particular car is or is not a supercar.

I find it amusing that some people are so determined to say a Corvette is not a supercar, and never will be one, as they will change their vague definition to exclude it. It is quite bizarre actually.

A supercar should be defined by performance characteristics alone. Anything else is just snobbery, and I see that is an important part for some people, quite sad really.

 

It goes back to this....

When asked why wear a Richard Mille watch, one owner responded..."One wears a Richard Mille watch to prove to others that you can afford a Richard Mille watch."

Simple

 

That is not me, if was me, I would answer “it is a work of art, that you can wear. I appreciate the the craftsmanship and creativity.” I have a watch that only 800 were made, it is a beautiful hand wind dress watch by a famous maker. So expensive and exclusive (I guess it would be a super car, by some people’s definition). When I wear it, it is because the craftsmanship is great and it was a gift from people that were dear to me. I do not wear it for snobbery purposes. That is why I do not wear it everyday or on casual occasions. I don’t need to impress anyone with what I have.

 

I beg to differ.




I would call that a "Superwatch"

 

it is a super expensive watch, but it does it perform better? Certainly I appreciate everything that goes it into it. I would cherish it until I die, if given one. However, a $10 Timex will keep better time, and for a few hundred you can get one that tracks back to the official atomic clock. Those perform better, but they are boring and usually lack craftsmanship. The Richard Mille watches are more interesting. No one buys a $90,000 watch for it’s time keeping performance alone.

 

In the same vein, no one buys a Ferrari just so they can get eggs.

 

If you watch the Nurburgring crash videos on YouTube you will notice that most of the crashes are BMW oversteer loss of control. Either BMWs are mostly sold to bad drivers or there’s something very wrong with the setup.

 

In Texas everybody knows “You are what you drive.”