OK, but why does anyone care, unless they are trying to hustle gold-digger "pump-and-dump" gals who are already pumped so full that they are already oozing out their ears?
It's looking more like an act of desperation, than first choice.

 

Have you thought about an M2 Competition? Pretty similar in driving dynamics to an E46 M3, but way faster. I agree totally on the spinners and gesture control. Stupid stuff.

 

“Supercars are not muscle cars or tuned up sports cars. And there is no such thing as a cut price supercar. A supercar is a car that combines speed, handling, unique design and represents the pinnacle of the automaker's art. Supercar is the car equivalent of a supermodel or a thoroughbred race horse. Supercars are the LaFerrari, P1, and 918, cars that are the absolute pinnacle of a brand's engineering and design.”

Saying that one’s car is as fast or perhaps even faster in a straight line or on a given track than a super car does not necessarily make that car a supercar. But if one's ego requires that his or her car be considered a supercar, then what’s the harm in letting them believe what they will and even enthusiastically agreeing with them?

 

By that definition the Corvette is a supercar.

You quoted someone, can you tell us who, so we can know who’s definition it is?

So a Ferrari 488 Pista is not a supercar? How about a Porsche 959? Lamborghini Muira SV?

 

I am kinda saddened that you have this driving personal need to clutch at straws and manipulate every conversational twist and turn towards your be all end all that your car is indeed a true Supercar. Particularly sad is that you feel this need to denigrate other cars which many consider to have been Supercars in their era solely to bolster your questionable quest seeking elevation of your C8 to Supercar status. Basically you argue that if your C8 isn’t a Supercar, then none of these other amazing automotive feats can possibly be considered Supercars either.

In the spirit of the Christmas season, please allow to me to be among the first to propose formal recognition that your C8 is now and forevermore indeed a true Supercar worthy of being garaged in automotive collections and museums with all the other amazing Supercars of the past and present. Congratulations, and I look forward to observing your joy at the ever increasing auction valuation your C8 shall enjoy in the coming years as so frequently do the owners of other true Supercars.

 

 

 

I never said the C8 was a supercar, as i have said I don't care if it is supercar. It is not why I own cars. I own them because I like them. What my question has always been to those who say it is not a supercar, what is the specific objective definition of a supercar. So far we have seen two vague definitions. One is yours, that the Corvette meets. The other expensive and exclusive, which a 100 carat diamond ring, and a Rolls Royce Convertible meets. Both definition seem to make those that proposed them because it did not provide the result they wanted.

It seems you are greatly unhappy that several models of Corvette have met your definition over time, and great cars of the past are no longer supercars. I have denigrated nothing. I have not said the Corvette is a supercar, nor asked for it to be called one. You seem to be determined that it is not one, but it meets the definition you gave. So you need to go back to the drawing board to twist whoever's definition you quoted, so the Corvette isn't and never has been a supercar (even though it held the endurance speed record for production cars for a while), and so other great cars will be or have been supercars.

I note that you did not provide an attribute for your quote. Why is that?

 

Taking the above into account along with your last post, you quite often seem to be dwelling in or dancing back and forth between the lands of either hyperbole or hypocrisy. You tell everyone else that they seemingly can’t define “Supercar” to your satisfaction and that therefore no one besides you has a valid opinion or definition of what a Corvette C8 is or what any previous Corvettes were with respect to “Supercar” status.

You say that only “performance characteristics” can be used to define what is and isn’t a “supercar.” So, again, you have the audacity to tell everyone else in the automotive world that only you, and you alone, are allowed to define the term “supercar.” On reflection, and putting aside the audacity aspect, I think the problem is that you are confusing the term super with other terms such as fastest or quickest or even high performance. Perhaps the problem is not that you can’t define “supercar”. The problem is that the meaning and normal societal application of the descriptor “super” seems to allude you, at least with respect to the automotive world in general and the Corvette world in particular.

In one of my dictionaries, the term super is defined or illustrated as an article or product of superior size, quality or grade. As an adjective, examples of the term “super” impart images of very large, or great, or extreme, or excellence.

The terms super yacht or super skyscraper are commonly used to connote superior size, or excellence in design and or construction, or materials utilized, or quality of assembly. A super yacht is not necessarily the largest yacht nor the fastest yacht and often is not even a “fast yacht.” The term usually connotes a superior standard of excellence of design, materials, and actual construction that is far above the norm and quite often, in fact almost always, entails a cost of acquisition and operation is a major resulting determinant. However, the fastest yachts are not necessarily super yachts by any normal industry reference standard.

All of this has nothing to do with what you term as snobbery, it is simply how the world generally considers and determines when an object rises to a level of superiority or excellence that might rightly be described as “super.” Along those same lines, your position is more akin to reverse snobbery. In your book, it seems that individuals who consider factors related to ultimate quality of a car or the resulting market value of a car are in actuality “super snobs” because they consider the myriad other factors beyond actual performance in determining how and when to properly label a car as a supercar.

You say that you don’t necessarily consider the Corvette C8 a supercar and you don’t care whether or not the C8 is labeled as a supercar, yet you constantly question and even sometimes belittle anyone who dares to propose that the C8 isn’t a supercar. There isn’t a lot of logic and connection between your declared and somewhat conflicting positions.

If you feel the C8 is a super car, good on you. A good number of folks might very well agree with you. Good for them too. But, when you begin telling others who disagree that they must provide the basis for their conclusions and justify their conclusions to your satisfaction, you are crossing a line.

 

I’ve spent 3 days driving the Ring, courtesy of BMW AG back in 95.. it’s not just BMW’s that crash there.. lots of cars crash there. While I was there the late Phil Hill stuffed a Viper (totaled) into the Armco.. it is an insanely dangerous chunk of road. Unfamiliarity, lots of off camber turns, some very high speeds catch a lot of drivers... BMW gave me a new E36 328 M sport when I got to Munich for the 3 days at the Ring. At the time I was Racing SCCA Nationals, and didn’t suck...I managed just under 10 minutes on the timed laps. I was almost always completely lost...lol most of the time I was following a BMW test driver in a 318ti.. He was telling me he had probably 100k Km on the ring... it showed...lol.. he could drop me at will... I don’t judge anyone that crashes at the ring harshly.

and really, most cars are sold to very bad drivers...

 

[quote=IdRatherBGolfing]I beg to differ.


Damn, that is truly heinous. I've seen it in person, it was even worse.

 

There is no counting for taste some times. After all some like the hideous soap bubble - spelled Porsche. It may be ok re specs, but it's the ugliest design imo. VW that is an overfilled baloon.

 

Super car there is only one the Batmobile