C8 Tuning
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GM could make money if they charged for an "unlock" capability and provided a kind of an API or platform for tuners/enthusiasts. I think it would be innovative and would be a hit with enthusiasts. Not just for Vettes, but for their entire fleet.
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Today's vehicles are certified to meet certain emissions requirements and tampering with those devices that the EPA has certified for public use is against the law. One of those emissions devices is the EMS. So, if GM (gm) had this car certified that it meets all the emissions requirements, then "unlocked" the ECU that was already certified, they would be encouraging end users to "modify" a certified emissions device.
As a tuner of the older generation stuff, I don't like it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GM to grant access. I am sure they will to certain limited companies that agree to certify the changes, or build strictly for track/off road use.
Last edited by Alea_Iacta_Est; Mar 17, 2021 at 11:45 AM.
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Considering the US federal government is going after EZlynk I would say the days of tuning are over.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/39676/...defeat-devices
https://www.thedrive.com/news/39676/...defeat-devices
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Nice idea, but you're forgetting about the EPA.
Today's vehicles are certified to meet certain emissions requirements and tampering with those devices that the EPA has certified for public use is against the law. One of those emissions devices is the EMS. So, if GM (gm) had this car certified that it meets all the emissions requirements, then "unlocked" the ECU that was already certified, they would be encouraging end users to "modify" a certified emissions device.
As a tuner of the older generation stuff, I don't like it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GM to grant access. I am sure they will to certain limited companies that agree to certify the changes, or build strictly for track/off road use.
Today's vehicles are certified to meet certain emissions requirements and tampering with those devices that the EPA has certified for public use is against the law. One of those emissions devices is the EMS. So, if GM (gm) had this car certified that it meets all the emissions requirements, then "unlocked" the ECU that was already certified, they would be encouraging end users to "modify" a certified emissions device.
As a tuner of the older generation stuff, I don't like it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GM to grant access. I am sure they will to certain limited companies that agree to certify the changes, or build strictly for track/off road use.
Last edited by lgodom; Mar 17, 2021 at 03:59 PM.
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Considering the US federal government is going after EZlynk I would say the days of tuning are over.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/39676/...defeat-devices
https://www.thedrive.com/news/39676/...defeat-devices
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^
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Nice idea, but you're forgetting about the EPA.
Today's vehicles are certified to meet certain emissions requirements and tampering with those devices that the EPA has certified for public use is against the law. One of those emissions devices is the EMS. So, if GM (gm) had this car certified that it meets all the emissions requirements, then "unlocked" the ECU that was already certified, they would be encouraging end users to "modify" a certified emissions device.
As a tuner of the older generation stuff, I don't like it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GM to grant access. I am sure they will to certain limited companies that agree to certify the changes, or build strictly for track/off road use.
Today's vehicles are certified to meet certain emissions requirements and tampering with those devices that the EPA has certified for public use is against the law. One of those emissions devices is the EMS. So, if GM (gm) had this car certified that it meets all the emissions requirements, then "unlocked" the ECU that was already certified, they would be encouraging end users to "modify" a certified emissions device.
As a tuner of the older generation stuff, I don't like it, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GM to grant access. I am sure they will to certain limited companies that agree to certify the changes, or build strictly for track/off road use.
For decades, Callaway was the only company which followed the EPA rules, it seemed. I imagine once access is granted, they will be the ones.
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For a while now, the EPA has been pursuing the aftermarket companies that sell replacement parts that either defeat or modify emissions components. This includes some of the big tuners that advertise.
This article is a year old:
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...-device-makers
Interesting that some have already changed exhausts on their C8s
Another:
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/pun...feat-emissions
This article is a year old:
https://www.hemmings.com/stories/202...-device-makers
Interesting that some have already changed exhausts on their C8s
Another:
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/pun...feat-emissions
Last edited by Alea_Iacta_Est; Mar 18, 2021 at 09:39 AM.
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Agree! Tuning a gas vehicle has to be the biggest waste of time and money without adding a turbo or supercharger. The few hp which may or may not be left on the table is NOT noticeable via seat of the pants. But as they say a sucker is born every day. I've wasted enough money over the years on tunes for gas cars and trucks with zero seat of the pants feel. I remember when you HAD to have a Corvettes of Westchester tune in your C5 lol yeah...
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A base model may run low 11's. A well Tuned, well driven, perfect conditions modified base model may scratch very high 9's imo.
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Then why was it necessary to reintroduce the RPM act which exempts modifications to cars to produce race cars?
https://www.sema.org/epa-news
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