What would you do?
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Inviktus, your posts here shed light on the intense tantrum you threw on the MM thread a week or so ago, when you were outraged at MM. The one in which you said you were done with MM and this forum because you were so angry at MM over what it chooses to post for intel over its allocations. You have a knack for making friends.
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Since it is no secret that I do not care what 50% of people have to think in here, I hope you can enjoy this comment OP. Oddly enough I get a decent amount of support because I cut against the grain.
When I see opinions, of "Hey OP, yeah you have two positions in line, and who cares how long you waited...you should completely forego that profit you would make from the second car. You know why you should do it? Because man, there is someone out there with a lonely garage and no C8. That should make you feel pretty terrible man. You know, it is kind of un-American that you have a sweet c8 and sold another for a profit man", I am forced to laugh.
I have waited now 8 months with a small dealer and close to three months with one of the big guys. So if I choose to stay in this game( because with all the shut downs and part shortages it is a game) and I have the opportunity to make 5 or 6k after waiting a year for GM to supply me with a car so that I can give them 70k, you better believe I will do it.
You know why? Because when all is said and done I will have waited a year for one car and probably 18 months for another. I have seen members in here get the car in 6 months and others wait 20 months (God bless them). The waits varied for all sorts of reasons and NONE OF THEM had anything to do with me.
So when I have to basically pray to get my damn cars, fork over 140k+, wait a total of 18 months for both cars, trust me when I say I could care less what idyllic argument someone on here makes.
Do what is best for you. I say look to do a private sale.
When I see opinions, of "Hey OP, yeah you have two positions in line, and who cares how long you waited...you should completely forego that profit you would make from the second car. You know why you should do it? Because man, there is someone out there with a lonely garage and no C8. That should make you feel pretty terrible man. You know, it is kind of un-American that you have a sweet c8 and sold another for a profit man", I am forced to laugh.
I have waited now 8 months with a small dealer and close to three months with one of the big guys. So if I choose to stay in this game( because with all the shut downs and part shortages it is a game) and I have the opportunity to make 5 or 6k after waiting a year for GM to supply me with a car so that I can give them 70k, you better believe I will do it.
You know why? Because when all is said and done I will have waited a year for one car and probably 18 months for another. I have seen members in here get the car in 6 months and others wait 20 months (God bless them). The waits varied for all sorts of reasons and NONE OF THEM had anything to do with me.
So when I have to basically pray to get my damn cars, fork over 140k+, wait a total of 18 months for both cars, trust me when I say I could care less what idyllic argument someone on here makes.
Do what is best for you. I say look to do a private sale.
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You think this C8 stuff is crazy now with the mark up, wait until the Z06 frenzy starts! You all are gonna have a heart attack 🤪. Meanwhile, dealers are selling these cars 20 to 30k over sticker.
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By the time you pay sales taxes, short term capital gains, registration, insurance, registration, etc. your actual out the door profit wouldn’t be as impressive as it sounds. There are much easier assets to make more profit on with less overhead.
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Consensus answer remains unchanged and unsurprising given your audience here, meaning people eager/desperate for their chance to build just one. If you are unselfish and understanding, walk away from it. If you are a me-first person looking to leverage Ciocca's commitment to sell at MSRP into personal profit, then buy both and be sure to come back here and tell everyone else still waiting in line how much money you pocketed.
Really, this isn't complicated. Are you willing to unselfishly walk away and let all those below you move up a spot? Or, are you profit-minded first, understanding that your profit is possible because the dealers you're dealing with are honoring MSRP?
If you go the latter, don't expect universal accolades about your business acumen here. Right or wrong, some here consider that choice craven.
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Inviktus, your posts here shed light on the intense tantrum you threw on the MM thread a week or so ago, when you were outraged at MM. The one in which you said you were done with MM and this forum because you were so angry at MM over what it chooses to post for intel over its allocations. You have a knack for making friends.
This is why I called you out for picking fights in the MM thread.
Go through the MM thread, I praise MM just about every chance I get. They are phenomenal and I cannot commend them enough. So yeah you have to be highly confused here or posting nonsense intentionally.
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Inviktus, your posts here shed light on the intense tantrum you threw on the MM thread a week or so ago, when you were outraged at MM. The one in which you said you were done with MM and this forum because you were so angry at MM over what it chooses to post for intel over its allocations. You have a knack for making friends.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...2022-list.html
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By the way I posted different replies because I know you are going to go crying to a moderator. Maybe you will get one who doesn't remember all the nonsense you touted.
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I honestly see no value in having 2 C8’s. If the idea is to drive one and profit on another, while playing in a high stakes, high profit market, you’d be better off sinking $90k into damn near anything else.
By the time you pay sales taxes, short term capital gains, registration, insurance, registration, etc. your actual out the door profit wouldn’t be as impressive as it sounds. There are much easier assets to make more profit on with less overhead.
By the time you pay sales taxes, short term capital gains, registration, insurance, registration, etc. your actual out the door profit wouldn’t be as impressive as it sounds. There are much easier assets to make more profit on with less overhead.
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I hear a lot of crickets from @Bird67 right now.
I'll address you in one post here, Inviktus, but not more since no one here ultimately cares about you and/or me.
1. I called you out for picking fights in the MM thread. Actually, you got upset because I, and some others on the thread, expressed a thought or view different than yours. When you make a point, it's truth. When someone else makes a contrary point, it's picking fights and being argumentative. I was under the impression you owned your own argumentativeness like a badge of honor: it is no secret that I do not care what 50% of people have to think in here.
2. "you caught all that flak condoning street racing". Huh? I've opined on lots of things, but I don't remember writing in support of street racing. If you say so.
3. "I know you are going to go crying to a moderator." I haven't done that before, and it hasn't crossed my mind to do so with you. You're opinionated and gruff, but you don't occupy my mind enough to seek out a moderator's intervention.
I know from reading others' spats on here that it's basically boring to everyone else. I'm available by PM if you'd like to get the final word in. But I may not be able to get right back to you, I'm at lunch at the moment.
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Hey, sorry, I'm still working for a living, don't get a chance to be on here 24/7. I catch up when I can.
I'll address you in one post here, Inviktus, but not more since no one here ultimately cares about you and/or me.
1. I called you out for picking fights in the MM thread. Actually, you got upset because I, and some others on the thread, expressed a thought or view different than yours. When you make a point, it's truth. When someone else makes a contrary point, it's picking fights and being argumentative. I was under the impression you owned your own argumentativeness like a badge of honor: it is no secret that I do not care what 50% of people have to think in here.
2. "you caught all that flak condoning street racing". Huh? I've opined on lots of things, but I don't remember writing in support of street racing. If you say so.
3. "I know you are going to go crying to a moderator." I haven't done that before, and it hasn't crossed my mind to do so with you. You're opinionated and gruff, but you don't occupy my mind enough to seek out a moderator's intervention.
I know from reading others' spats on here that it's basically boring to everyone else. I'm available by PM if you'd like to get the final word in. But I may not be able to get right back to you, I'm at lunch at the moment.
I'll address you in one post here, Inviktus, but not more since no one here ultimately cares about you and/or me.
1. I called you out for picking fights in the MM thread. Actually, you got upset because I, and some others on the thread, expressed a thought or view different than yours. When you make a point, it's truth. When someone else makes a contrary point, it's picking fights and being argumentative. I was under the impression you owned your own argumentativeness like a badge of honor: it is no secret that I do not care what 50% of people have to think in here.
2. "you caught all that flak condoning street racing". Huh? I've opined on lots of things, but I don't remember writing in support of street racing. If you say so.
3. "I know you are going to go crying to a moderator." I haven't done that before, and it hasn't crossed my mind to do so with you. You're opinionated and gruff, but you don't occupy my mind enough to seek out a moderator's intervention.
I know from reading others' spats on here that it's basically boring to everyone else. I'm available by PM if you'd like to get the final word in. But I may not be able to get right back to you, I'm at lunch at the moment.
Pssst here is also a little secret, your #1 above is very different than what you originally said. So here is what you originally said "the intense tantrum you threw on the MM thread a week or so ago, when you were outraged at MM. The one in which you said you were done with MM and this forum because you were so angry at MM over what it chooses to post for intel over its allocations."
It is pretty simple and I will explain it to you clearly so you can follow along like A-B-C 1-2-3: When you accuse me of being outraged at MM and that I was done with MM and that I was so angry with M, when it is completely false then you better believe that I will call you argumentative and check your nonsense.
I know presenting yourself as a member of the intelligensia is super important for you but can you at least try to hit the mark and not have to resort to lies?
Here is the thread - https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...2022-list.html. Find my outrage. Also, spare us the "My work commands my attention" rhetoric. You have been posting on this forum this morning before I tagged you to this post.
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Hey, sorry, I'm still working for a living, don't get a chance to be on here 24/7. I catch up when I can.
I'll address you in one post here, Inviktus, but not more since no one here ultimately cares about you and/or me.
1. I called you out for picking fights in the MM thread. Actually, you got upset because I, and some others on the thread, expressed a thought or view different than yours. When you make a point, it's truth. When someone else makes a contrary point, it's picking fights and being argumentative. I was under the impression you owned your own argumentativeness like a badge of honor: it is no secret that I do not care what 50% of people have to think in here.
2. "you caught all that flak condoning street racing". Huh? I've opined on lots of things, but I don't remember writing in support of street racing. If you say so.
3. "I know you are going to go crying to a moderator." I haven't done that before, and it hasn't crossed my mind to do so with you. You're opinionated and gruff, but you don't occupy my mind enough to seek out a moderator's intervention.
I know from reading others' spats on here that it's basically boring to everyone else. I'm available by PM if you'd like to get the final word in. But I may not be able to get right back to you, I'm at lunch at the moment.
I'll address you in one post here, Inviktus, but not more since no one here ultimately cares about you and/or me.
1. I called you out for picking fights in the MM thread. Actually, you got upset because I, and some others on the thread, expressed a thought or view different than yours. When you make a point, it's truth. When someone else makes a contrary point, it's picking fights and being argumentative. I was under the impression you owned your own argumentativeness like a badge of honor: it is no secret that I do not care what 50% of people have to think in here.
2. "you caught all that flak condoning street racing". Huh? I've opined on lots of things, but I don't remember writing in support of street racing. If you say so.
3. "I know you are going to go crying to a moderator." I haven't done that before, and it hasn't crossed my mind to do so with you. You're opinionated and gruff, but you don't occupy my mind enough to seek out a moderator's intervention.
I know from reading others' spats on here that it's basically boring to everyone else. I'm available by PM if you'd like to get the final word in. But I may not be able to get right back to you, I'm at lunch at the moment.
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$60,000 X 0.22 = $13,200
$60,000 X 0.056 = $3,360
State registration = $200
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$16,760.00
So if you flipped it for $30,000, you only keep $13,240.00. The government always wins. Increased MSRP and higher tax bracket just gets worse. Are these numbers close enough? This assuming the car was sold after owning it less than a year which is probably what most do.
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On the flip side, the thread was not to see who would buy one of my orders. I’ll sell privately off the site. No value added from your comment whatsoever. 🍻
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This thread clearly differentiates between those who believe in capitalism and those who have a bone to pick with someone who can take advantage of it.
Pretty sad really. The U.S. was built from capitalism and our founding fathers being against England’s control of it’s citizens wealth.
Pretty sad really. The U.S. was built from capitalism and our founding fathers being against England’s control of it’s citizens wealth.
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This thread clearly differentiates between those who believe in capitalism and those who have a bone to pick with someone who can take advantage of it.
Pretty sad really. The U.S. was built from capitalism and our founding fathers being against England’s control of it’s citizens wealth.
Pretty sad really. The U.S. was built from capitalism and our founding fathers being against England’s control of it’s citizens wealth.
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This thread clearly differentiates between those who believe in capitalism and those who have a bone to pick with someone who can take advantage of it.
Pretty sad really. The U.S. was built from capitalism and our founding fathers being against England’s control of it’s citizens wealth.
Pretty sad really. The U.S. was built from capitalism and our founding fathers being against England’s control of it’s citizens wealth.
Capitalism is intended to drive competition which benefits the consumer with better products at lower prices. What you’re advocating for is the opposite, where one buys up all the stock and resells for an artificially higher price for the good of themselves at the expense of everybody else.
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