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I can't possibly be the only one that finds threads like this cringe worthy right? ...right?!
I like discussions that lead to a better understanding of how the car works, even if it does not matter exactly how others choose to operate their C8. While I am interested in how the double paddle declutch, rapid exit, standard exist, launch control, PTM modes etc. work, I personally actually rarely use the features . This thread started with an observation of how the double paddle declutch works, and evolved into a discussion more detail on how it works. Some like discussion of details, while it makes other cringe. That ok. I have learned quite a bit about my C8 as a result of discussions ike this (that stay focussed on the performance or techincal aspects of the car, rather than complaining about what others do or say).
I like discussions that lead to a better understanding of how the car works, even if it does not matter exactly how others choose to operate their C8. While I am interested in how the double paddle declutch, rapid exit, standard exist, launch control, PTM modes etc. work, I personally actually rarely use the features . This thread started with an observation of how the double paddle declutch works, and evolved into a discussion more detail on how it works. Some like discussion of details, while it makes other cringe. That ok. I have learned quite a bit about my C8 as a result of discussions ike this (that stay focussed on the performance or techincal aspects of the car, rather than complaining about what others do or say).
no no not the technical aspect, thats not what made me cringe, its the weird reving his lady part... what is it about Corvettes and pervy old men that seek some sort of weird validations on forums. We're here to talk cars... I just find it very odd.
no no not the technical aspect, thats not what made me cringe, its the weird reving his lady part... what is it about Corvettes and pervy old men that seek some sort of weird validations on forums. We're here to talk cars... I just find it very odd.
Understood. I noticed, but chose not to comment on that aspect. Perhaps I missed his point after all (reference to post 7).
I am a little surprised that the transmission programming couldn't be altered slightly to allow the car to stay in neutral after pulling both paddles back and releasing them, then only going into gear by pulling back on one of the paddles to put it in first. It would certainly help with towing if something that simple could avoid the locked up transmission and allow the car to roll. I recall sitting in a Ferrari 360 a number of years ago and I believe that pulling back on both paddles put it in neutral and left it there until the down paddle was pulled.(I may be wrong on this but it is my recollection).--Bob
I am a little surprised that the transmission programming couldn't be altered slightly to allow the car to stay in neutral after pulling both paddles back and releasing them, then only going into gear by pulling back on one of the paddles to put it in first. It would certainly help with towing if something that simple could avoid the locked up transmission and allow the car to roll. I recall sitting in a Ferrari 360 a number of years ago and I believe that pulling back on both paddles put it in neutral and left it there until the down paddle was pulled.(I may be wrong on this but it is my recollection).--Bob
There is a procedure in the manual to keep the car in neutral but it has to be performed before the engine is shut off.
There is no mechanical linkage to the transmission. The parking pawl is spring loaded to be engaged and hydraulic pressure is used to disengage it. So the only way you can disengage the parking pawl without the engine running is to use a special tool.
There is a procedure in the manual to keep the car in neutral but it has to be performed before the engine is shut off.
There is no mechanical linkage to the transmission. The parking pawl is spring loaded to be engaged and hydraulic pressure is used to disengage it. So the only way you can disengage the parking pawl without the engine running is to use a special tool.
I stumbled across this in the sevice manual while trying to find out what is said about "double paddle declutch". Did not find much on that , but here is something about the parking pawl. Notice what is says about keeping it in the last known position if power is lost. Made me wonder if there could be a workaround, other than the procedures in the manual. But I doubt it.
I stumbled across this in the sevice manual while trying to find out what is said about "double paddle declutch". Did not find much on that , but here is something about the parking pawl. Notice what is says about keeping it in the last known position if power is lost. Made me wonder if there could be a workaround, other than the procedures in the manual. But I doubt it.
This suggests that it may be possible to put the car into into neutral if the engine dies. But one would have to follow the procedure in the manual as if the engine was still running. It you open the door or push the park or start/stop buttons before following the procedure then you would be screwed. Hard to keep focused on this when you are in a predicament. The only way to find out if it is possible is to somehow kill the engine without following the normal procedures and try it.
This suggests that it may be possible to put the car into into neutral if the engine dies. But one would have to follow the procedure in the manual as if the engine was still running. It you open the door or push the park or start/stop buttons before following the procedure then you would be screwed. Hard to keep focused on this when you are in a predicament. The only way to find out if it is possible is to somehow kill the engine without following the normal procedures and try it.
Yeah. I was wondering though if "power" means engine off, or ignition off, or possibly meaning battery power (all electrical power).
no no not the technical aspect, thats not what made me cringe, its the weird reving his lady part... what is it about Corvettes and pervy old men that seek some sort of weird validations on forums. We're here to talk cars... I just find it very odd.
HAHAHA I just noticed, ignored, no one paid attention to that.
...a very good thread after all LOL
no no not the technical aspect, thats not what made me cringe, its the weird reving his lady part... what is it about Corvettes and pervy old men that seek some sort of weird validations on forums. We're here to talk cars... I just find it very odd.
StayInStock, apparently after many posts and some very good points given and taken relating to my post about Neutral FYI you think it’s “cringe worthy” because I used a little humor about my lady friend. Many famous speakers throw out a little humor. Some Corvette guys have no sense of humor. If liking women makes me a “pervy old guy” – Guilty as charged. As for the forum being for cars, why would you post your “cringe-worthy” comment? That isn’t car-related? I tend to agree with AndyBump. I learned a lot about the DCT neutral issue.
Just an FYI. No need to post 16 reasons why you don't do this or that. I was checking out the manual's instructions to put the transmission in neutral by holding both paddles back. While I was holding both paddles back and in neutral at a red light, my ladyfriend wanted a little attention, so I took my right hand off of the paddle, and . . . OMG! it stayed in neutral with only the left paddle back. I could use my right hand and rev the engine too.
Now you know you can do other things with your right hand.
I am a little surprised that the transmission programming couldn't be altered slightly to allow the car to stay in neutral after pulling both paddles back and releasing them, then only going into gear by pulling back on one of the paddles to put it in first. It would certainly help with towing if something that simple could avoid the locked up transmission and allow the car to roll. I recall sitting in a Ferrari 360 a number of years ago and I believe that pulling back on both paddles put it in neutral and left it there until the down paddle was pulled.(I may be wrong on this but it is my recollection).--Bob
If the goal is to keep it in neutral with the engine running, all you have to do is push the "N" button on the console. It will stay in neutral until you shift to a different setting or shut the car off. No need to worry about the paddles at all.
The 360 didn't have a DCT. It was a standard manual transmission with an electronically controlled clutch. A much different beast. I'm pretty sure Ferrari DCTs also lock up when you turn the car off.
I stumbled across this in the sevice manual while trying to find out what is said about "double paddle declutch". Did not find much on that , but here is something about the parking pawl. Notice what is says about keeping it in the last known position if power is lost. Made me wonder if there could be a workaround, other than the procedures in the manual. But I doubt it.
Based on what has been posted online (which may or may not be accurate), I think the solenoid opens or closes a hydraulic circuit, rather than operating the pawl directly. The term "valve" implies some sort of fluid control, not electric. If it operated the pawl directly, I don't see why you'd need the engine running to get it out of park.
I agree that something is going on to load the clutches "ever so slightly" (in Tadge's words) when stopped in gear with the brake applied. It appears to be loading just enough to take the slack out of the powertrain.
But when you release the brake without applying gas then there is definitely some computer intervention going on to provide propulsion.
Yes. I got the same result when I tried it with the car fully warmed up (different from when I tried it after a cold start). Stopped, brake applied, at idle, pull paddles back, then release, I can feel the the car wanting to move forward when the paddles are released (the pre loading of the drive train). And i can feel the pre loading in reverse as well when paddles are released. I also again with brake on at idle, shift between N and D position. That is a noticeably different feeling from just releasing the paddles while in D. Oh, and I also noticed the slight increase in RPM - as noted in a post above - I can see a very slight increase on the digital tach, but I can also hear it. I also thought maybe this increase was temporary - as if it goes up slightly - then settles as the clutch does it slight "drag". Not sure about that part. And, with the brake off, releasing the paddles, after a very short delay there is a increase in RPM, more or less concurrent with the car starting to move. Nothing new here - its what others reported above.
This thread is really funny. The OP just mentioned a simple trick for using Neutral and now the thread is over 3 pages long (and growing) with detailed technical dissertations on the inner workings of the C8. Kinda like saying "Hey, to turn on a light you just flip the switch to the up position" and then ending up with an in-depth explanation of the nationwide electrical grid and the physics behind how it all works. Gotta love car guys.
This thread is really funny. The OP just mentioned a simple trick for using Neutral and now the thread is over 3 pages long (and growing) with detailed technical dissertations on the inner workings of the C8. Kinda like saying "Hey, to turn on a light you just flip the switch to the up position" and then ending up with an in-depth explanation of the nationwide electrical grid and the physics behind how it all works. Gotta love car guys.
Some people like to understand how things work. Others only care that when you flip the switch the light comes on. And then wonder why the light doesn't work when the power's out.
