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You're assuming I haven't driven both 1LT and 2LT HTCs and coupes.
You're assuming I'm a complete moron that is incapable of setting my mirrors, after driving for 4 decades.
Quite ridiculous assumptions, but the addition of convex side mirrors is a good idea.
Hmm, made no assumption on how you drive or set your mirrors. You said "someone needs to provide a wide view," and I said GM did with the C8 TV MIRROR! After I have been driving for over 60 years the C8 TV Mirror, set with a wide view, is the best thing since sliced bread!
Yep lots of folks set their door mirrors as the SAE tech paper stated in ~1990. BUT it also stated you need a wide view through the center mirror to follow cars who will soon be on your rear fenders. The C8 with it's normal center mirror in the Coupe (and I assume Vert with the top up) does not give that wide view, from my experience trying to use it. The TV Mirror has adjustable width and can be set (as I have) like the convex passenger door mirror. The widest view I have ever had including in the only Vert I even owned a CJ5 Rag Top Jeep with the top down,
This is a pic made from the old SAE tech paper on defensive driving folks use to set door mirrors. What the paper spent over a page defining: it's NOT just the folks currently on your rear fenders it's those coming up fast behind who will soon be there that you must follow. The cryptic info on the right of pic discusses BUT some don't read or understand. (NOT SAYING YOU SO DON'T BE DEFENSIVE! ) The C8 (all but Vert with top down) regular mirror does not give a wide enough view IMO of the rear to follow cars coming up fast from behind. The TV MIRROR can be set with a wide view and gives a great view of cars in lanes next to you! Yep in my C7s added a small blind spot mirror to help. NOT needed in the C8 with the wide rear view through the TV MIRROR! Frankly the blind spot detection I find not very useful. Barely picks up cars currently on your rear fenders and gives zero indication of those coming up fast behind. Note, from my experience the standard C8 mirror is about as bad a view in the rear as my C7 coupe.
Did a thorough test yesterday while in the highway. The blind spot light does come on exactly when the car reaches the rear of my car. I believe that’s too late to be really useful. Why not have it 10 feet behind? My Genesis and Audi have had it that way and they work worked great. Not to mention the warning vibration in the steering wheel. That’s my opinion. I’ve also begun to use the review mirror in lieu of the camera. Can’t get used to the double view. Luv the rest of my car.
[QUOTE=JerryU;1605124732]Hmm, made no assumption on how you drive or set your mirrors. You said "someone needs to provide a wide view," and I said GM did with the C8 TV MIRROR! After I have been driving for over 60 years the C8 TV Mirror, set with a wide view, is the best thing since sliced bread!
Yep lots of folks set their door mirrors as the SAE tech paper stated in ~1990. BUT it also stated you need a wide view through the center mirror to follow cars who will soon be on your rear fenders. The C8 with it's normal center mirror in the Coupe (and I assume Vert with the top up) does not give that wide view, from my experience trying to use it. The TV Mirror has adjustable width and can be set (as I have) like the convex passenger door mirror. The widest view I have ever had including in the only Vert I even owned a CJ5 Rag Top Jeep with the top down,
This is a pic made from the old SAE tech paper on defensive driving folks use to set door mirrors. What the paper spent over a page defining: it's NOT just the folks currently on your rear fenders it's those coming up fast behind who will soon be there that you must follow. The cryptic info on the right of pic discusses BUT some don't read or understand. (NOT SAYING YOU SO DON'T BE DEFENSIVE! ) The C8 (all but Vert with top down) regular mirror does not give a wide enough view IMO of the rear to follow cars coming up fast from behind. The TV MIRROR can be set with a wide view and gives a great view of cars in lanes next to you! Yep in my C7s added a small blind spot mirror to help. NOT needed in the C8 with the wide rear view through the TV MIRROR! Frankly the blind spot detection I find not very useful. Barely picks up cars currently on your rear fenders and gives zero indication of those coming up fast behind. Note, from my experience the standard C8 mirror is about as bad a view in the rear as my C7 coupe.
Can you please explain the 3 car view in the TV mirror and how to figure out where the real car is located. Why does it help to see a car on the left or right that isn’t real? Thx for the help.
The C8 doesn't provide the range that my AT4 does. That's a problem because you have to remember what vehicle that you are driving. I have one approach onto a freeway where you cannot use the mirror to see oncoming traffic from the rear. I always prayed when I was in my old C7 and my wife was not with me.
Can you please explain the 3 car view in the TV mirror and how to figure out where the real car is located. Why does it help to see a car on the left or right that isn’t real? Thx for the help.
Hmm, I tried with a made up pic!!! I'll fix and make the cars on either side different!! I was "trying to show" you can see cars in the lanes behind and next to yours some distance back!
You can set your TV MIRROR like the convex passenger door mirror to see a wide view. (Read the Owner's Manual as How To Do!) You can see cars that are coming up fast in the lanes on either side of yours who will soon be on your rear fenders. Better than the electronic "blind spot detection" which at best is just showing who is on your rear fenders. Actually the C8 is not even that good.
Now to match my 60+ year driving record of NEVER having an accident with another car you must be looking at all mirrors all the time. It has to become an unconscious automatic reflex. Then when something pops up in front (car suddenly stopping, deer, 18 wheeler tire tread etc) you can have a needed "instant response" without looking anywhere. Did that many times. BTW it also takes LUCK!
Can you please explain the 3 car view in the TV mirror and how to figure out where the real car is located. Why does it help to see a car on the left or right that isn’t real? Thx for the help.
Revised pic. How's this?? Note basic pic taken from many page ~1990 SAE tech paper on defensive driving. It stated it's not only important to have mirrors set correctly (which was show how) to see who is on your rear fenders but also spent a page+ of text showing it's the cars that will soon be there that are important. But must have a wide view of the rear to follow cars behind to side mirrors. C8, like C7, did not provide a wide view through normal mirror but C8 TV MIRROR set wide is the best thing since sliced bread for providing rear view!
Hmm, I tried with a made up pic!!! I'll fix and make the cars on either side different!! I was "trying to show" you can see cars in the lanes behind and next to yours some distance back!
You can set your TV MIRROR like the convex passenger door mirror to see a wide view. (Read the Owner's Manual as How To Do!) You can see cars that are coming up fast in the lanes on either side of yours who will soon be on your rear fenders. Better than the electronic "blind spot detection" which at best is just showing who is on your rear fenders. Actually the C8 is not even that good.
Now to match my 60+ year driving record of NEVER having an accident with another car you must be looking at all mirrors all the time. It has to become an unconscious automatic reflex. Then when something pops up in front (car suddenly stopping, deer, 18 wheeler tire tread etc) you can have a needed "instant response" without looking anywhere. Did that many times. BTW it also takes LUCK!
Thank you for your response and subsequent explanation. Now I get it. I have tried the wide view. Having trouble adjusting to the unnatural view. As of now prefer the “off” position. Will I get used to it if I just keep it on?
Did a thorough test yesterday while in the highway. The blind spot light does come on exactly when the car reaches the rear of my car. I believe that’s too late to be really useful. Why not have it 10 feet behind? My Genesis and Audi have had it that way and they work worked great. Not to mention the warning vibration in the steering wheel. That’s my opinion. I’ve also begun to use the review mirror in lieu of the camera. Can’t get used to the double view. Luv the rest of my car.
The blind spot detection zone is supposed to extend back 16' from the middle of the vehicle (about 8' from the back). If it is not coming on until a vehicle reaches the rear of your car then it is not working properly.
For the double view in the camera mirror, try adjusting it in mirror mode (lever pushed forward) so that you are looking at yourself in the mirror, then pull the lever back to engage the camera view.
Thank you for your response and subsequent explanation. Now I get it. I have tried the wide view. Having trouble adjusting to the unnatural view. As of now prefer the “off” position. Will I get used to it if I just keep it on?
Yep had that issue initially. Thought it was my progressive (transition) glasses I always wear and have been for ~35 years. Then instead of just using by flipping the "real mirror" lever, I adjusted the center mirror angle so it more perpendicular to my line of sight. Moved as far as possible in that direction, as if looking at yourself. Image perfectly clear. Like wearing "processive" glasses, that are only perfectly clear in the center area top (far distance) to bottom (reading) your brain soon learns to have your head slighlty tilted correctly. So may take a little time IF wearing them, as I do.
Have made that suggestion the 20 months I've had my C8 and a number have said that works for them.
I am wondering if the blind spot detector radar units are dealer adjustable to increase the distance that the electronics detect a car in the C8’s blind spot?
As a retired pilot we not only used our eyes we dependent upon our safety systems. Should highway traffic suddenly stop and the car behind you isn’t about to stop I personally want the blind spot detector to give me INSTANT ACCURATE FEEDBACK that it’s safe to swerve to another lane when there is ZERO TIME TO CHECK MIRROR BLIND SPOTS.
Yep, "almost useless! AND I have my mirrors set per the ~1990 SAE Tech paper on defensive driving. As it discussed in several pages, it's not just the folks on your rear bumpers BUT those coming up fast in the lanes next to yours who WILL SOON BE THERE!
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Yep what do those automotive engineers know??
Been using their ideas way before that paper was published. Has helped with my record of not having an accident with another car in 63 years. That paper gives good advice and is what folks use when they say adjust your drivers mirror with your head next to the window and not see your car. But they spend several pages discussing following cars in the lanes next to you who are traveling fast and will soon be on your rear fenders. They note you need a good wide view of the rear through the center mirror. Good advice.
My wife’s Genesis GV70 has the blind spot problem down pat. Each side view mirror has a built in camera that shows an actual real time moving picture of what is happening in that lane in addition to the mirror indicator light. The real time picture shows up in the speedo cluster directly in front of you.
With the side mirrors adjusted properly, and the rear view camera on, I have no blind spots. In the HTC, even using the regular rear view mirror I have no blind spots with the outside mirrors adjust properly.
With the side mirrors adjusted properly, and the rear view camera on, I have no blind spots. In the HTC, even using the regular rear view mirror I have no blind spots with the outside mirrors adjust properly.
I agree with what you are saying. However, this means you have to check 2 places and not 1. If the blind spot on the mirrors had further coverage then it would be better/simpler.
I agree with what you are saying. However, this means you have to check 2 places and not 1. If the blind spot on the mirrors had further coverage then it would be better/simpler.
Blind spot detection range is fine. Anything more encourages bad driving habits (which many people in this thread seem to have).
Yep had that issue initially. Thought it was my progressive (transition) glasses I always wear and have been for ~35 years. Then instead of just using by flipping the "real mirror" lever, I adjusted the center mirror angle so it more perpendicular to my line of sight. Moved as far as possible in that direction, as if looking at yourself. Image perfectly clear. Like wearing "processive" glasses, that are only perfectly clear in the center area top (far distance) to bottom (reading) your brain soon learns to have your head slighlty tilted correctly. So may take a little time IF wearing them, as I do.
Yep, "almost useless! AND I have my mirrors set per the ~1990 SAE Tech paper on defensive driving. As it discussed in several pages, it's not just the folks on your rear bumpers BUT those coming up fast in the lanes next to yours who WILL SOON BE THERE!
